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Kikapu

So what you are saying is, the GCs can't have the north EVEN if they did agree to a partnership in a BBF. That being the case, why agree to a partnership in a BBF at all.

Is that what you understand by my claim that GCs can only resolve the problem by agreeing a BBF where we rule the north and they the south? isnt that what our leaders are trying to agree right now?

But you are correct, even though you let it slip out unconsciously, that ANY partnership in a BBF or any other partnership, it would mean the GCs losing the north completely as well as a chance of losing the south as well. Isn't what your beloved Annan Plan was all about that you are still wet-dreaming of it coming back?

Where did I state what you claims? you yourself said we would rule 99% of the time in each area. please make up your mind.

In any case, one cannot run a country as a business and partnership, so I do not expect ANY partnership to ever take place in Cyprus. Proportional Power sharing perhaps, but a complete outright 50-50 partnership will NEVER happen.

If you are the mouth piece for the GCs then that has how much weight exactly percentage wise?

In any case, Turkey is in the north illegally as an occupying power trying desperately to change its ownership. The land still belongs to the RoC and the EU. If Turkey hasn't managed to claim the north outright for herself before 2004 when Cyprus became member of the EU as well as 100% of Cyprus, the future looks very bleak that Turkey will EVER manage to keep the north since 2004. What's the point in trying anyway, specially it has proven that Turkey has no Oil and Gas between her shores and Cyprus, and specially since all the Oil and Gas is in the south of Cyprus.

Turkey is going nowhere as you are not clever enough to get rid of them 38 years proves my point, legally or illegally we will keep the north forever you have nothing up your sleeve and spout nothing more than hot air, you have been claiming doom and gloom for both Turkey and the TRNC for years but we are still here,still standing, still divided which in itself proves you have no credibility whatsoever.

As for the natural resources that issue is far from over but as you know there are many countries who do not have direct access to these resources yet have not collapsed or disappeared, life does not stop.

[boulio]

No vp you will not rule the north,you are not a country but a federal state,you will in majority administer the northern state basically run the day to day and what the fereral govt deems to be the duties of the states.federalism puts the federal govt above the states in certain areas.basically you will administer the state wihin the context how states in germany are administered.what you are advocating is a confederal model which has no point you might as well go straight to partition negotiations because thats were it will lead

[Viewpoint]

No vp you will not rule the north,you are not a country but a federal state,you will in majority administer the northern state basically run the day to day and what the fereral govt deems to be the duties of the states.federalism puts the federal govt above the states in certain areas.basically you will administer the state wihin the context how states in germany are administered.what you are advocating is a confederal model which has no point you might as well go straight to partition negotiations because thats were it will lead

Thats what I am saying we being the majority in the north will rule/administer ourselves under a BBF with equal political representation after a constitution protecting everyone's rights is agreed. Its this constitution we are unable to agree as you GCs want to force your will upon us to accept eventual minority rights in a GC state.

[Maximus]

No vp you will not rule the north,you are not a country but a federal state,you will in majority administer the northern state basically run the day to day and what the fereral govt deems to be the duties of the states.federalism puts the federal govt above the states in certain areas.basically you will administer the state wihin the context how states in germany are administered.what you are advocating is a confederal model which has no point you might as well go straight to partition negotiations because thats were it will lead

Thats what I am saying we being the majority in the north will rule/administer ourselves under a BBF with equal political representation after a constitution protecting everyone's rights is agreed. Its this constitution we are unable to agree as you GCs want to force your will upon us to accept eventual minority rights in a GC state.

You want to force your will upon the majority and have them live under oppression and apartheid in a Turkish state. The difference is a piece of paper and Turks holding up the indeginous people of Cyprus with blackmail at gun point under your wishes.

Turkishness has torn the a$$hole out of Cyprus, to the detriment of the native population and those TC who want nothing to do with Turkey. There is no credibility here and for everyones benefit, even yours, I beleive the best thing is to follow your Ottoman grandfathers and go back to your home country, which is Turkey istead of preventing the GC's from having their GC state which they rightfully should have inherited in 1960.

[Viewpoint]

No vp you will not rule the north,you are not a country but a federal state,you will in majority administer the northern state basically run the day to day and what the fereral govt deems to be the duties of the states.federalism puts the federal govt above the states in certain areas.basically you will administer the state wihin the context how states in germany are administered.what you are advocating is a confederal model which has no point you might as well go straight to partition negotiations because thats were it will lead

Thats what I am saying we being the majority in the north will rule/administer ourselves under a BBF with equal political representation after a constitution protecting everyone's rights is agreed. Its this constitution we are unable to agree as you GCs want to force your will upon us to accept eventual minority rights in a GC state.

You want to force your will upon the majority and have them live under oppression and apartheid in a Turkish state. The difference is a piece of paper and Turks holding up the indeginous people of Cyprus with blackmail at gun point under your wishes.

Turkishness has torn the a$$hole out of Cyprus, to the detriment of the native population and those TC who want nothing to do with Turkey. There is no credibility here and for everyones benefit, even yours, I beleive the best thing is to follow your Ottoman grandfathers and go back to your home country, which is Turkey istead of preventing the GC's from having their GC state which they rightfully should have inherited in 1960.

Thank you for the above post it reveals a lot more than you would realize and why TCs should always be on the guard against GCs....nothing has changed you still have the same mentality that your forefathers had that Cyprus is Greek and we dont belong here.

[Maximus]

No vp you will not rule the north,you are not a country but a federal state,you will in majority administer the northern state basically run the day to day and what the fereral govt deems to be the duties of the states.federalism puts the federal govt above the states in certain areas.basically you will administer the state wihin the context how states in germany are administered.what you are advocating is a confederal model which has no point you might as well go straight to partition negotiations because thats were it will lead

Thats what I am saying we being the majority in the north will rule/administer ourselves under a BBF with equal political representation after a constitution protecting everyone's rights is agreed. Its this constitution we are unable to agree as you GCs want to force your will upon us to accept eventual minority rights in a GC state.

You want to force your will upon the majority and have them live under oppression and apartheid in a Turkish state. The difference is a piece of paper and Turks holding up the indeginous people of Cyprus with blackmail at gun point under your wishes.

Turkishness has torn the a$$hole out of Cyprus, to the detriment of the native population and those TC who want nothing to do with Turkey. There is no credibility here and for everyones benefit, even yours, I beleive the best thing is to follow your Ottoman grandfathers and go back to your home country, which is Turkey istead of preventing the GC's from having their GC state which they rightfully should have inherited in 1960.

Thank you for the above post it reveals a lot more than you would realize and why TCs should always be on the guard against GCs....nothing has changed you still have the same mentality that your forefathers had that Cyprus is Greek and we dont belong here.

Thanks for drawing the line in the sand and crossing it. As far as I am concerned, you dont have any rights in Cyprus further to the rights which the Greek Cypriots along with the EU aquis are willing to grant you. Those rights are very, very fair. You peasants came to Cyprus only in the past 400 odd years and the period as a whole has gone done in infamy. Consider that practically a whole population has been subjugated and have been made to accomodate your backwards ideology and fascist illegal principles. If the Greek Cypriots could really have their say and their wish granted, I am very confident that they would have you all deported. This does not mean by violent means, it does not even mean they are racist but it is the truth because you have demonstarted gross disrespect for the country you live in and their human rights. Any patriotic soul would want to depart those that cause trouble in their country and many governments do do this and you cant blame those that feel this way about Turkishness. Turkishness does no good and it does not allow anyone else to do any good either.

[Viewpoint]

And can we have your comments about the GCs role in all this? then we can discuss your views with more clarity.

[halil]

Ban warns time running out for Cyprus deal

U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon warned Cyprus's Greek and Turkish leaders they were running out of time to settle their dispute over the island, and urged them to break a deadlock in talks at a summit in New York later this month, Reuter’s reports.

''I am concerned that opportunities to successfully conclude negotiations will be limited once the Republic of Cyprus takes up the presidency of the European Union on 1 July 2012," he added in the letters.
Diplomats fear Cypriot politicians will be distracted by the presidency of the EU and spend less time on peace talks. They say the presidency could also alienate the island's Turkish leaders and widen differences between the two sides.

But both sides remain divided on how they would govern the island together and demarcate territory. Disagreements have also hit efforts to hold an international conference to hammer out the final phases of a settlement......................

[Maximus]

And can we have your comments about the GCs role in all this? then we can discuss your views with more clarity.

I have expressed my views and opinions above. The GC's should have inherited Cyprus in 1960 along with the true freedom an independence and democratic state should have brought. many of the ongoing problems today would be non existant if this was so however, they achieved their goal eventually. They HAVE inherited the Republic of Cyprus but a third of their country has become occupied by Turkey in the process.

What? you dont want the Republic or the indiginous people so get out!

[Viewpoint]

And can we have your comments about the GCs role in all this? then we can discuss your views with more clarity.

I have expressed my views and opinions above. The GC's should have inherited Cyprus in 1960 along with the true freedom an independence and democratic state should have brought. many of the ongoing problems today would be non existant if this was so however, they achieved their goal eventually. They HAVE inherited the Republic of Cyprus but a third of their country has become occupied by Turkey in the process.

What? you dont want the Republic or the indiginous people so get out!

Thank you for proving once again why there will never and should never be a solution in Cyprus, people like you still support enosis and we should steer clear at all costs, 37% of the island with no recognition will do nicely as the alternative with scum like you is unthinkable, we are just as indigenous as you and have every right to be here. Thank god for Turkey and long live the TRNC.