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[bill cobbett]

:lol:

Dementia is the only the way to describe it....

Eroglu/Turkey knocking on the front-door of the EU on July 1st to make the usual rubbish partitionist demands.

Guess who will be answering the Union's door?...

Knock! Knock!

"Bios eeneh?"

"Eroglu/Turkey"

"Jeh ti thelete ye mou?"

"We want to speak to the term President about Recognition of our "tnrc", flights etc"

"Panayia mou!!!....Ebalanen o cosmos!! Dora jenna phonaxo doos sheeloos!! Asihktir Eroglu/Turkey!"

Demented and half-baked.

No one will be knocking the GC door Turkey has made this very clear.

... or on the French door... Erdogan has made this pretty clear.

[Kikapu]

If anything, if Eroglu/Turkey will insist on a no settlement based on EU principles and that BBF becomes a complete deadlock because of today's realities to the realities of the past when BBF was agreed on in the late 70's, just because for the fact that the RoC is a EU member today, the UN may declare the present BBF resolution null and void, just purely based on today's realities and issue another resolution on Cyprus settlement with the UNSC based on today's realities and for it to be based on a Unitary state. The fact that the UNSC has enough members on the RoC's side to push for a new resolution to be based on EU Principles in a Unitary state, the TCs will have to kiss goodbye any BBF and self controlled north state, just because they do not want to have a BBF today for it to be based on EU Principles. If there isn't enough support for the RoC to change the resolution, then the RoC will not be any worse off by keeping the present BBF agreements and keep on insisting on a settlement to be based on EU Principles. Sooner or later, the UN will get rid of the present outdated BBF resolutions and seek a new resolution that is based on today's realities. Eroglu/Turkey may delay as long as they want at the moment, but the end result may not be what they will like or want if the UNSC issues another resolution to include the EU Principles. The finding of Oil & Gas in Cyprus will play a big part in getting the UNSC to look for another resolution, and the fact that Turkey has created a lot of problems for herself with nations who were once friendly, passing a new resolution by the UNSC may not be so difficult after all.

[bill cobbett]

If anything, if Eroglu/Turkey will insist on a no settlement based on EU principles and that BBF becomes a complete deadlock because of today's realities to the realities of the past when BBF was agreed on in the late 70's, just because for the fact that the RoC is a EU member today, the UN may declare the present BBF resolution null and void, just purely based on today's realities and issue another resolution on Cyprus settlement with the UNSC based on today's realities and for it to be based on a Unitary state. The fact that the UNSC has enough members on the RoC's side to push for a new resolution to be based on EU Principles in a Unitary state, the TCs will have to kiss goodbye any BBF and self controlled north state, just because they do not want to have a BBF today for it to be based on EU Principles. If there isn't enough support for the RoC to change the resolution, then the RoC will not be any worse off by keeping the present BBF agreements and keep on insisting on a settlement to be based on EU Principles. Sooner or later, the UN will get rid of the present outdated BBF resolutions and seek a new resolution that is based on today's realities. Eroglu/Turkey may delay as long as they want at the moment, but the end result may not be what they will like or want if the UNSC issues another resolution to include the EU Principles. The finding of Oil & Gas in Cyprus will play a big part in getting the UNSC to look for another resolution, and the fact that Turkey has created a lot of problems for herself with nations who were once friendly, passing a new resolution by the UNSC may not be so difficult after all.

So really after 35 years (!), the BBF is in the last chance saloon?

[Kikapu]

If anything, if Eroglu/Turkey will insist on a no settlement based on EU principles and that BBF becomes a complete deadlock because of today's realities to the realities of the past when BBF was agreed on in the late 70's, just because for the fact that the RoC is a EU member today, the UN may declare the present BBF resolution null and void, just purely based on today's realities and issue another resolution on Cyprus settlement with the UNSC based on today's realities and for it to be based on a Unitary state. The fact that the UNSC has enough members on the RoC's side to push for a new resolution to be based on EU Principles in a Unitary state, the TCs will have to kiss goodbye any BBF and self controlled north state, just because they do not want to have a BBF today for it to be based on EU Principles. If there isn't enough support for the RoC to change the resolution, then the RoC will not be any worse off by keeping the present BBF agreements and keep on insisting on a settlement to be based on EU Principles. Sooner or later, the UN will get rid of the present outdated BBF resolutions and seek a new resolution that is based on today's realities. Eroglu/Turkey may delay as long as they want at the moment, but the end result may not be what they will like or want if the UNSC issues another resolution to include the EU Principles. The finding of Oil & Gas in Cyprus will play a big part in getting the UNSC to look for another resolution, and the fact that Turkey has created a lot of problems for herself with nations who were once friendly, passing a new resolution by the UNSC may not be so difficult after all.

So really after 35 years (!), the BBF is in the last chance saloon?

I believe so, Bill.

"Last chance saloon" for the TCs and for them to have a Federal state where they would look after their own affairs 99% of the time, just like the BBF plan I put together. That's the best they can hope for given today's realities. BBF was born from the realities of the 70's which the TCs never took advantage of to reach a settlement, just because Turkey made them believe that the Cyprus problem was solved in 1974, therefore, they had no incentive to really solve anything, not that Denktash wanted to solve anything. He was happy to play as a "President" for 30 years or so, which was more like a Dictatorship really. But since "Time Does Not Stand Still", the RoC became a EU member in 2004 which no one could have envisioned it in the late 70's. Now the BBF from the 70's has become obsolete and cannot satisfy today's realities. This is what the UNSC needs to look at if they want to avoid deadlocks on an outdated BBF we have today. That's why I believe what the UN's next move is going to be once we reach another deadlock with the present talks, with 3 years and counting of useless talks.

[Viewpoint]

So it looks like deadlock and each side is left pushing it own agenda.

[Kikapu]

So it looks like deadlock and each side is left pushing it own agenda.

Just what agenda can the "trnc" push that it hasn't already tried to push many times and has failed many times in trying in the last 37 years. Please do tell us.

The RoC however, has created new possible agendas for herself, thanks to the "trnc"/Turkey for them not being interested in BBF with EU Principles for a settlement. If you think the Oil & Gas finds will not favour the RoC's to achieve her new agandas, you are very much mistaken. Too bad the TCs will miss out their share, while they are told to wait for the long awaited but never coming "trnc's" own agenda to the "promise land".

[Viewpoint]

So it looks like deadlock and each side is left pushing it own agenda.

Just what agenda can the "trnc" push that it hasn't already tried to push many times and has failed many times in trying in the last 37 years. Please do tell us.

The RoC however, has created new possible agendas for herself, thanks to the "trnc"/Turkey for them not being interested in BBF with EU Principles for a settlement. If you think the Oil & Gas finds will not favour the RoC's to achieve her new agandas, you are very much mistaken. Too bad the TCs will miss out their share, while they are told to wait for the long awaited but never coming "trnc's" own agenda to the "promise land".

You can throw all the wealth you wish at the TCs you can rest assured that they will never give up is the north or the right to administer themselves or accept minority rights in a GC state. The TCs once the talks have collapsed as I have stated before will be to work even closer with Turkey to apply pressure on the EU to relax the restrictions on the north and get to work closer with the OIC to further our own agenda. You can say whatever you wish it makes absolutely no difference what we do in the TRNC does not concern the GCs.

[repulsewarrior]

...once again vp you deny the fact that the so called GC and TC are equals, and neither has the right to represent themselves exclusively; there is a Cypriot State, whereas they are communities within it.

[Kikapu]

So it looks like deadlock and each side is left pushing it own agenda.

Just what agenda can the "trnc" push that it hasn't already tried to push many times and has failed many times in trying in the last 37 years. Please do tell us.

The RoC however, has created new possible agendas for herself, thanks to the "trnc"/Turkey for them not being interested in BBF with EU Principles for a settlement. If you think the Oil & Gas finds will not favour the RoC's to achieve her new agandas, you are very much mistaken. Too bad the TCs will miss out their share, while they are told to wait for the long awaited but never coming "trnc's" own agenda to the "promise land".

You can throw all the wealth you wish at the TCs you can rest assured that they will never give up is the north or the right to administer themselves or accept minority rights in a GC state. The TCs once the talks have collapsed as I have stated before will be to work even closer with Turkey to apply pressure on the EU to relax the restrictions on the north and get to work closer with the OIC to further our own agenda. You can say whatever you wish it makes absolutely no difference what we do in the TRNC does not concern the GCs.

Turkey to apply pressure on the EU to relax the restrictions on the north

So what you are saying is, that Turkey now has leverage on the EU for the EU to do what Turkey wants against EU's best interests on EU's own territory. Really?

It appears it is not ONLY Turkey who has delusions of grandeur, but you also.

As for working closer with the OIC, go for it. I'm sure they would want to sell their date fruits in the north.

[humanist]

Some people forget that the occupied area of Cyprus is a part of an EU State territory and at this stage even though not in effective control of the legitimate RoC government it still is European territory and I believe whilst the government cannot implement any decisions made it still is Cypriot territory and any decisions made will be made in unison of the EU and Cyprus.