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[Maximus]

Look try and grasp what Im gonna say for once, with no solution both sides will be blamed for the impasse not just the TCs add to this the support of the AP by the TCs and you will be left with an EU that wants to bring the TCs in from the cold seeing that they are EU members and due to the EU philosophy should be punished due to other influences be it the GCs or Turkey, this is the card we will play....this will lead to great pressure on the GCs to relax a few of the not so important issues to support the economy in the north thus aiding the Tcs to move away from Turkey financial support stronghold. So like it or not the pressure will be back on the south to help and not penalize the north as if you claim your are one country your should act like it and treat all your citizens in the same manner otherwise you go against everything the EU stands for.

This will help you realise an EU solution for the Cyprob at best, at worst, you get what you have always gotten.

[Viewpoint]

Look try and grasp what Im gonna say for once, with no solution both sides will be blamed for the impasse not just the TCs add to this the support of the AP by the TCs and you will be left with an EU that wants to bring the TCs in from the cold seeing that they are EU members and due to the EU philosophy should be punished due to other influences be it the GCs or Turkey, this is the card we will play....this will lead to great pressure on the GCs to relax a few of the not so important issues to support the economy in the north thus aiding the Tcs to move away from Turkey financial support stronghold. So like it or not the pressure will be back on the south to help and not penalize the north as if you claim your are one country your should act like it and treat all your citizens in the same manner otherwise you go against everything the EU stands for.

This will help you realise an EU solution for the Cyprob at best, at worst, you get what you have always gotten.

Now do you understand on whom the pressure will be as we are not demanding recognition but that the EU treats us TCs like other EU citizens and not allow the GCs government to discriminate against people who reside in the north just for the sole reason that they have always resided there and that events were totally out of their control.

[Hermes]

with no solution both sides will be blamed for the impasse not just the TCs add to this the support of the AP by the TCs and you will be left with an EU that wants to bring the TCs in from the cold seeing that they are EU members and due to the EU philosophy should be punished due to other influences be it the GCs or Turkey, this is the card we will play....this will lead to great pressure on the GCs to relax a few of the not so important issues to support the economy in the north thus aiding the Tcs to move away from Turkey financial support stronghold.

If that's your only "card" VP then you're fucked. There is no pressure from anyone to lift the embargoes. It ain't going to happen - especially now we've got vast gas reserves. The EU Council of Ministers legal office has ruled on this already. All EU linkages to the Turkish occupied-side of the island have to go through the official government of Cyprus. Trade, EU aid, educational and sporting ties, everything. Air links are governed by international law and the UN. It's all locked down, VP. EU accession has fucked you good and proper. We hold all the cards and we've played them well. Time you realised you lost the game. It's over, VP. You have no cards. You never did.

[Maximus]

Look try and grasp what Im gonna say for once, with no solution both sides will be blamed for the impasse not just the TCs add to this the support of the AP by the TCs and you will be left with an EU that wants to bring the TCs in from the cold seeing that they are EU members and due to the EU philosophy should be punished due to other influences be it the GCs or Turkey, this is the card we will play....this will lead to great pressure on the GCs to relax a few of the not so important issues to support the economy in the north thus aiding the Tcs to move away from Turkey financial support stronghold. So like it or not the pressure will be back on the south to help and not penalize the north as if you claim your are one country your should act like it and treat all your citizens in the same manner otherwise you go against everything the EU stands for.

This will help you realise an EU solution for the Cyprob at best, at worst, you get what you have always gotten.

Now do you understand on whom the pressure will be as we are not demanding recognition but that the EU treats us TCs like other EU citizens and not allow the GCs government to discriminate against people who reside in the north just for the sole reason that they have always resided there and that events were totally out of their control.

You are completely lost, it is the other way around.

it is not the GC's who are discriminating against you, it is not the EU that is discriminating against you. It is the regime in the occupied north which is discriminating. essentially, you are descriminating against an EU member and you are looking for the EU to reward you for this. The EU does not stand for this.

you are off your rocker.

[Viewpoint]

with no solution both sides will be blamed for the impasse not just the TCs add to this the support of the AP by the TCs and you will be left with an EU that wants to bring the TCs in from the cold seeing that they are EU members and due to the EU philosophy should be punished due to other influences be it the GCs or Turkey, this is the card we will play....this will lead to great pressure on the GCs to relax a few of the not so important issues to support the economy in the north thus aiding the Tcs to move away from Turkey financial support stronghold.

If that's your only "card" VP then you're fucked. There is no pressure from anyone to lift the embargoes. It ain't going to happen - especially now we've got vast gas reserves. The EU Council of Ministers legal office has ruled on this already. All EU linkages to the Turkish occupied-side of the island have to go through the official government of Cyprus. Trade, EU aid, educational and sporting ties, everything. Air links are governed by international law and the UN. It's all locked down, VP. EU accession has fucked you good and proper. We hold all the cards and we've played them well. Time you realised you lost the game. It's over, VP. You have no cards. You never did.

All you have to do is wait and see how things will develop after the talks grind to a halt, never say never nothing is locked down....you thought you had it locked down in 1974 but look what happened. We cannot be left out in the cold forever things will develop which you will not like as the cause of this problem is not only the TCs it is also the GCs.

[Viewpoint]

Look try and grasp what Im gonna say for once, with no solution both sides will be blamed for the impasse not just the TCs add to this the support of the AP by the TCs and you will be left with an EU that wants to bring the TCs in from the cold seeing that they are EU members and due to the EU philosophy should be punished due to other influences be it the GCs or Turkey, this is the card we will play....this will lead to great pressure on the GCs to relax a few of the not so important issues to support the economy in the north thus aiding the Tcs to move away from Turkey financial support stronghold. So like it or not the pressure will be back on the south to help and not penalize the north as if you claim your are one country your should act like it and treat all your citizens in the same manner otherwise you go against everything the EU stands for.

This will help you realise an EU solution for the Cyprob at best, at worst, you get what you have always gotten.

Now do you understand on whom the pressure will be as we are not demanding recognition but that the EU treats us TCs like other EU citizens and not allow the GCs government to discriminate against people who reside in the north just for the sole reason that they have always resided there and that events were totally out of their control.

You are completely lost, it is the other way around.

it is not the GC's who are discriminating against you, it is not the EU that is discriminating against you. It is the regime in the occupied north which is discriminating. essentially, you are descriminating against an EU member and you are looking for the EU to reward you for this. The EU does not stand for this.

you are off your rocker.

Watch and learn how you shot yourself in the foot.

[Maximus]

Look try and grasp what Im gonna say for once, with no solution both sides will be blamed for the impasse not just the TCs add to this the support of the AP by the TCs and you will be left with an EU that wants to bring the TCs in from the cold seeing that they are EU members and due to the EU philosophy should be punished due to other influences be it the GCs or Turkey, this is the card we will play....this will lead to great pressure on the GCs to relax a few of the not so important issues to support the economy in the north thus aiding the Tcs to move away from Turkey financial support stronghold. So like it or not the pressure will be back on the south to help and not penalize the north as if you claim your are one country your should act like it and treat all your citizens in the same manner otherwise you go against everything the EU stands for.

This will help you realise an EU solution for the Cyprob at best, at worst, you get what you have always gotten.

Now do you understand on whom the pressure will be as we are not demanding recognition but that the EU treats us TCs like other EU citizens and not allow the GCs government to discriminate against people who reside in the north just for the sole reason that they have always resided there and that events were totally out of their control.

You are completely lost, it is the other way around.

it is not the GC's who are discriminating against you, it is not the EU that is discriminating against you. It is the regime in the occupied north which is discriminating. essentially, you are descriminating against an EU member and you are looking for the EU to reward you for this. The EU does not stand for this.

you are off your rocker.

Watch and learn how you shot yourself in the foot.

OK.

[boulio]

come on VP you have been say that since 2004 and nothing has happened,dektash and turkey created the TRNC IN 1983 AND STILL NOTHING HAS happened.for crist sake azerbajain wont even recognize you.You must comprimise as the ROC HAS FOR A SOLUTION TO COME ABOUT WAITING FOR THE eu TO GIVE YOU DIRECT TRADE AND RECOGNITION WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

GUL said it the best when he was FM of Turkey:

the "TRNC"CANT EVEN export a box of oranges.

[Viewpoint]

come on VP you have been say that since 2004 and nothing has happened,dektash and turkey created the TRNC IN 1983 AND STILL NOTHING HAS happened.for crist sake azerbajain wont even recognize you.You must comprimise as the ROC HAS FOR A SOLUTION TO COME ABOUT WAITING FOR THE eu TO GIVE YOU DIRECT TRADE AND RECOGNITION WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

GUL said it the best when he was FM of Turkey:

the "TRNC"CANT EVEN export a box of oranges.

Are they the oranges he eats all the time that come directly from what is it you call the region Omorfo I think.

We will never ask the EU for outright recognition but just the fact that the EU are in the north and take notice means progress for us, all we have to do is continue to show we want to be treated fairly and not discriminated against or punished for matters which are beyond our control.

[boulio]

Ofcourse the EU IS in the north,the north entered the EU IN 2004 WITH THE AQUIS just suspened and not enforced till a future date.you can thank the roc for that by the way.why do you call your self isolationsim punishement its self inflicted.the trnc hold gc properties hostage and the roc holds the tc right to export and turkeys ascesion talks hostage.thats what i mean about comprimise vp.with in a federal structure the t/c will be able to run there daily affairs as the see fit as long as the abide by euriopean norms and will at the same time be able to enjoy all that the eu has to offer. but you cant in the same breath say you dont want to be discriminated against put quotas on people because of their ethnicity to travel invest or live in a certain area of cyprus