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Re: AFRIKA

Postby kurupetos » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:31 am

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Re: AFRIKA

Postby Hermes » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:07 am

Viewpoint wrote:What hypocrisy when you think of the GCs demanding enosis, now the shoe is on the other foot and the TCs are on the verge of enosis with Turkey they cry wolf, bloody hypocrites.


Don't you mean the TCs are on the verge of enosis with the dinosaurs... :lol:
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Re: AFRIKA

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:26 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...this should be easy enough for you vp.

please answer:

1) as a Cypriot, what is a bully?

2) as a Cypriot, who are not bullies?

3) is Sener Levent just another kikapou by another name?

4) do you understand what a "Turk" is?

5) do you understand what a "Greek" is?

6) do you understand my differentiation between "Greeks" and Greeks, and "Turks" or Turks?

7) if i am not a bully and I am Greek, am i a GC; or am i qualified differently?

8) are you a Cypriot, do you want to be a Cypriot?


...i don't put smileys in my text normally, i did not in this case either; that would be question #8, i am very serious, and i'm sorry if the smiley offended you.

...the questions are simple enough, i'm hoping the answers will help with the dialog we need to get past our impasse.

you know me well enough by now, if you choose, be helpful.
the facts speak for themselves.
i will fight for the Freedom of Cyprus and so will you.

...please provide your answers point by point; i know you have done this many times before.

...and cheers!
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Re: AFRIKA

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:10 am

respulse why dont you just save us time tell us what you are trying to prove? what is it you are trying to say?
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Re: AFRIKA

Postby denizaksulu » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:53 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
kimon07 wrote:HTTP://INFOGNOMONPOLITICS.BLOGSPOT.COM/2011/02/AFRIKA.HTML

ΤΕΤΑΡΤΗ, 9 ΦΕΒΡΟΥΑΡΙΟΥ 2011
Το άρθρο της AFRIKA κατά της Τουρκικής στρατιωτικής κατοχής
Η Τούρκο-Κυπριακή εφημερίδα AFRIKA, πριν λίγες ημέρες δημοσίευσε το ακόλουθο άρθρο γνώμης υπερασπιζόμενη τα δίκαια των Τουρκοκυπρίων έναντι της στρατιωτικής κατοχής της Άγκυρας στο νησί. Ακολουθεί το άρθρο με την μετάφρασή του:

TOPLUMA HAVA ATAN MİLLİ DEMAGOGLAR…
ΟΙ ΨΕΥΔΟΛΟΓΙΕΣ ΤΩΝ ΕΘΝΙΚΩΝ ΔΗΜΑΓΩΓΩΝ ΠΡΟΣ ΣΤΗΝ ΚΟΙΝΟΤΗΤΑ

Uluslararası anlaşmalarla 1969 yılında kurulan Kıbrıs Cumhuriyeti’nin garantör bir ülkesi olarak, anayasal nizamın çalışmasını sağlamak ve toprak bütünlüğünü korumak olan Türkiye; bilinen nedenlerle, 1974 yılında “kurtarıcı” olarak adaya ayak bastıktan sonra bu görevlerini unutmuş… Ve, bu Rum’undur, bu Türk’ündür demeden boş gördüğü her yere bayrağını dikerek sahiplenmiştir.

Ἡ Τουρκία, ἡ ὁποία ὡς ἐγγυήτρια χώρα ἀνέλαβε τὴν τήρησι τῆς συνταγματικῆς τάξεως καὶ τὴν διαφύλαξι τῆς ἐδαφικῆς ἀκεραιότητος τῆς βάσει διεθνῶν συνθηκῶν τὸ 1969 ἱδρυθείσης Κυπριακῆς Δημοκρατίας, τὸ ἔτος 1974 μὲ ἀφορμὴ τὰ γνωστὰ γεγονότα, ἀφοῦ εἰσέβαλε στὸ νησὶ ὡς «Ἐλευθερωτής», ξέχασε τὰ καθήκοντά της… Καὶ οἰκειοποιήθηκε ὅποιον ἄδειο χῶρο συναντοῦσε, ἀδιάφορο ἂν ἀνῆκε σὲ Ἑλληνοκύπριο ἢ Τουρκοκύπριο, στήνοντας τὴν σημαία της.
Tüm Kıbrıslıları yine Türk-Rum demeden topraklarından sürüp memleketi ikiye böldü ve yarısını işgal etti. Uluslararası anlaşmaları çiğneyerek işgal ettiği topraklara kendi nüfusunu taşıdı.

Διαίρεσε στὰ δύο τὴν χώρα καὶ κατέλαβε τὴν μισή, μετακινώντας βίαια τὸ σύνολο τῶν Κυπρίων, Τούρκοκυπρίων καὶ
Ἑλληνοκυπρίων, ἀπὸ τὰ ἐδάφη τους. Καταπατώντας τὶς διεθνεῖς συνθῆκες μετέφερε στὰ κατακτηθέντα ἐδάφη δικό της πληθυσμὸ..

Onlara sonradan her türlü melanetin yuvası haline gelecek sözde egemen ve bağımsız bir de devlet kurdu. Kendi vatanlarında, kendilerine ait topraklar üzerinde, her türlü baskı ve dış karışmacılığın olmayacağı,gerçek bağımsız ve egemen bir devlete sahip olmak istemeyen bir toplum herhalde düşünülemez.

Ἐκ τῶν ὑστέρων στὰ ἐδάφη αὐτὰ ἵδρυσε ἕνα δῆθεν κυρίαρχο καὶ ἀνεξάρτητο κράτος, ποὺ ἔμελλε νὰ μετατραπῇ σὲ ἄντρο κάθε εἴδους παρανομίας. Φυσικὰ δὲν νοεῖται λαός, ποὺ νὰ μὴ θέλῃ νὰ εἶναι κάτοχος ἑνὸς πράγματι ἀνεξάρτητου καὶ κυρίαρχου κράτους, ἀπηλλαγμένου ἀπὸ πιέσεις καὶ ἐξωτερικὲς παρεμβάσεις.

Ancak, mülkiyeti başka toplumlara ait toprakları silah gücüyle ele geçirip insanları topraklarından sökerek yerlerine taşıdığınız eğreti nüfusunuza, o topraklar üzerinde bir devlet kuramazsınız. Her şeye rağmen,

Ὅμως, εἶναι ἀδιανόητο σεῖς μὲ τὴν χρῆσι ὅπλων νὰ ἱδρύετε κράτος σὲ ἐδάφη, ποὺ ἀνήκουν σὲ ἄλλους λαούς, ξεριζώνοντάς τους, καὶ μεταφέροντας στὴ θέσι τους δικὸ σας παραπαίοντα πληθυσμό. Ἐὰν παρ᾿ὅλ᾿αὐτά,

uluslararası hukuku ve kuralları çiğneyerek bir devlet kurar, ve bunu kendinizde bir hak olarak görürseniz, bu bir Osmanlı zorbalığı olur ki, bugünkü dünya düzeni içindeki devletlere anlatamazsınız. Kurduğunuz bu sahte devleti içlerine sindirip kabul etmelerini bekleyemezsiniz. Ve sizi sürekli baskı altında tutarak bunaltırlar.

καταπατώντας τὸ διεθνὲς δίκαιο καὶ τὴν ἔννομη τάξι ἱδρύετε ἕνα κράτος, καὶ θεωρῆτε, ὅτι ἔχετε τὸ δίκαιο μὲ τὸ μέρος
σας, τότε διαπράττετε ἕνα Ὀθωμανικὸ δεσποτισμό (σ. μ. στὸ κείμ. ζορμπαλίκι, τσαμπουκάς), τὸν ὁποῖο δὲν μπορεῖτε νὰ ἐξηγήσετε σὲ κράτη ποὺ ἀνήκουν στὴν σημερινὴ παγκόσμια τάξι. Μὴ περιμένετε νὰ δεχθοῦν στοὺς κόλπους τους τὸ ψευδοκράτος ποὺ ἱδρύσατε. Θὰ σᾶς καταταλαιπωροῦν πιέζοντάς σας διαρκῶς.

Sizler de aynaya bakıp çapınızın Boyutlarını görmeden meyhane kabadayıları gibi sağa-sola saldırırsınız. Bu arada olanlarda toplumumuza olur. Ve yanık mumlar gibi her geçen gün biraz daha eriyip yok olurlar. Bu yüzden buralarda istenmiyorsunuz artık. Çünkü ruhlarınız; Atatürk’ün uygarlık mayasıyla değil, Osmanlının kullanım süresi bitmiş ırkçılık mayalarıyla yoğruludur.

Καὶ σεῖς, μὴ βλέποντας στὸν καθρέφτη τὸ ἀνάστημά σας, ἐπιτίθεσθε δεξιὰ καὶ ἀριστερὰ σὰν νταῆδες καπηλειῶν. Ἐν τῷ μεταξύ, ὅ,τι γίνεται, γίνεται σὲ βάρος τῆς κοινότητός μας, ποὺ σὰν ἀναμμένο κερί, κάθε μέρα ποὺ περνᾶ λυώνει σιγά-σιγὰ καὶ ἐξαφανίζεται. Γι᾿ αὐτὸ πλέον εἶσθε ἀνεπιθύμητοι ἐδῶ. Διότι ἡ ἰδεολογία σας δὲν ἔχει σχέσι μὲ τὸ κεμαλικὸ
ἰδεῶδες, ἀλλὰ μὲ τὸν ληγμένης ἡμερομηνίας ὀθωμανικὸ ρατσισμό.

Inin bu toplumun sırtından. Inin ve terk edin memleketimizi. Tarihiniz boyunca her ayak bastığınız yeri kuruttunuz. Hayır etmediniz, hayır da ettirmediniz. 37 y ıl önce sizleri kurtarıcı olarak çiçeklerle karşıladık. Bağrımıza bastık. Evlerimizde misafir ettik. Saygıda, hizmette kusur etmedik. Bir dediğinizi iki ettirmedik.

Κατεβεῖτε ἀπὸ τὸ σβέρκο τοῦ λαοῦ αὐτοῦ. Κατεβεῖτε καὶ ἐγκαταλεῖψτε τὴν χώρα μας. Καθ᾿ ὅλη τὴν διάρκεια τῆς ἱστορίας σας ξεράνατε κάθε χῶμα ποὺ πατήσατε. Κανένα καλὸ δὲν κάνατε, οὔτε καὶ ἐπιτρέψατε σὲ κάποιον νὰ κάνῃ καλό. Πρὶν ἀπὸ 37 χρόνια σᾶς ὑποδεχθήκαμε μὲ λουλούδια σὰν ἀπελευθερωτές. Σᾶς σφίξαμε στὴν ἀγκαλιά μας. Σᾶς φιλοξενήσαμε στὰ σπίτια μας. Δὲν ὑστερήσαμε σὲ σεβασμὸ καὶ ἐξυπηρέτηση. Κάναμε ὅτι μᾶς ζητήσατε.

Çünkü; Yunan-Rum ırkçı faşistlerin saldırılarından kurtulacağımızı ve ortağı olduğumuz Kıbrıs Cumhuriyeti’ndeki
haklarımızı yeniden kazanacağımızı, iki toplum olarak barış içinde uygarca yaşayabileceğimiz yeni bir hayata başlayacağımızı sanmıştık.

Διότι, νομίσαμε ὅτι θὰ γλυτώσουμε ἀπὸ τὶς φασιστικὲς καὶ ρατσιστικὲς ἐπιθέσεις Ἑλλήνων καὶ Ἑλληνοκυπρίων καὶ θὰ ἀποκτήσουμε ἐκ νέου τὰ δικαιώματά μας ὡς συνεταίρων τῆς Κυπριακῆς Δημοκρατίας, ὅτι θὰ ζήσουμε εἰρηνικὰ καὶ πολιτισμένα οἱ δύο κοινότητες ἀρχίζοντας μιὰ καινούργια ζωή.

Lakin sizler; Rum faşistleri bile soyumuza söyleyebilecek sözler bulamazken, anında soyumuzun arızalı olduğunu keşfettiniz. Bizleri asil kanlı”Türk” yapmak için analarımızı ağlattınız. Irademizi, hürriyetimizi gasp ettiniz. Geçmişimizi silerek, geleceğimizi kararttınız. Yetti artık. Yetti… Inin bu toplumun ensesinden. Ve kendi ülkeniz Türkiye’ye dönün.

Σεῖς ὅμως, ἐνῶ καὶ οἱ Ἑλληνοκύπριοι ἀκόμη φασίστες δὲν εἶπαν τὸ παραμικρὸ γιὰ τὴν καταγωγή μας, ξαφνικὰ ἀνακαλύψατε ὅτι εἶναι ἐλαττωματική. Γιὰ νὰ μᾶς μετατρέψετε σὲ «Τοῦρκο» μὲ εὐγενῆ καταγωγή, κάνατε τὶς μάννες μας
νὰ κλαῖνε (σ. μ. : ἰδιωμ. κάνατε τὴ ζωή μας μαρτύριο). Ἁρπάξατε τὴν βούλησί μας, τὴν ἐλευθερία μας. Διαγράφοντας τὸ παρελθόν μας, μαυρίσατε τὸ μέλλον μας. Φθάνει πειά. Φθάνει… Κατεβεῖτε ἀπὸ τὸ σβέρκο τοῦ λαοῦ μας. Καὶ ἐπιστρέψτε στὴν πατρίδα σας , τὴν Τουρκία.

Giderken de 37 yıldır “Halil Ibrahim”lerin sofrasından besleyip kendinize benzettiğiniz yerli malı kahramanlarınızı da beraber götürün. Onları Ankara kriterleriyle anavatanlarında görevlendirin. Çocukları askerliklerini oralarda yapsınlar. Çünkü bu memleketin adı Kıbrıs’tır. Ve bu Kıbrıs; tüm Kıbrıslılara aittir.

Καὶ φεύγοντας πάρτε μαζὺ σας καὶ τοὺς ντόπιους ἥρωές σας, ποὺ μοιάζουν πιὰ μὲ σᾶς, καὶ ποὺ ἐπὶ 37 χρόνια σιτίζονται ἀπὸ τὸ τραπέζι τῶν «Χαλὶλ Ἰμπραΐμηδων» (σ. μ.: ἐνν. Τουρκοκυπρίων). Διορίστε τους ἐκεῖ, στὴν πατρίδα τους, μὲ τὰ κριτήρια τῆς Ἄγκυρας. Τὰ παιδιά τους ἂς κάνουν τὴν θητεία τους ἐκεῖ, στὸν τουρκικὸ στρατό. Διότι αὐτὴ ἡ χώρα ὀνομάζεται Κύπρος. Καὶ ἡ Κύπρος ἀνήκει σ᾿ ὅλους τοὺς Κυπρίους

En çok neye üzülüyorum biliyor musunuz? Geçmişte bu toplumun yaralarına merhem olamamış, Sancaktar dediğimiz tiran yöneticilere salon komutanlığı yapmış,TMT gibi “mukavemet” kurumu, kimlerin elinde nasıl ve neden saldırgan bir kurum haline getirildi?.. Bugün toplumu dipsiz kuyulara atan insan kılığındaki yaratıklar, bazı milli demagogların “TMT’ye hizmet” madalyasını, işgalci komutanın eliyle göğsüne takarak topluma hava atmalarına, lanet olsun.

Ξέρετε τί μὲ λυπεῖ περισσότερο; Τὸ ὅτι μιὰ «ἀντιστασιακὴ» ὀργάνωσις, ὅπως ἡ ΤΜΤ (Τürk Mukavemet Teşkilâtı = ΤουρκικὴἈντιστασιακὴ Ὀργάνωσις ), τὰ μέλη τῆς ὁποίας στὸ παρελθὸν ὑπηρέτησαν σὲ πολυτελῆ γραφεῖα τυράννων διοικητῶν, τῶν σαντζακτάρηδων, καὶ ποὺ ποτὲ δὲν κατώρθωσαν νὰ γίνουν βάλσαμο στὶς πληγὲς τῆς κοινότητός μας, μὲ λυπεῖ λοιπὸν τὸ πῶς καὶ γιατί, καὶ στὰ χέρια τίνων μετετράπη (ἡ ΤΜΤ) σὲ μιὰ ἐπιθετικὴ ὀργάνωσι.
Κατάρα λοιπὸν σήμερα, σ᾿ αὐτὰ τὰ ἀνθρωπόμορφα τέρατα,
τοὺς ἐθνικοὺς δημαγωγούς, ποὺ ρίχνουν τὸν κόσμο σὲ ἄπατα πηγάδια, καὶ ποὺ ἐπιδεικνύουν μὲ καμάρι στην κοινωνία, τὰ ἀπονεμημένα ἀπὸ τὸν εἰσβολέα διοικητὴ μετάλλιά των, γιὰ τὴν «πρὸς τὴν ΤΜΤ προσφοράν» τους.

Δραγουμάνος


Thank you for providing this Kimon. I personally consider it a valuable contribution, while I consider as garbage those comments that called it so. :mrgreen:




Agree with you too Pyro. Have a Merry ......everything. :D
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Re: AFRIKA

Postby kimon07 » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:03 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:thanks kimon, would have never read it other wise; i see from the debate that it's worth it, in that respect, thanks GR.

...oh and thank-you bill for the translation,


Thank you for your kind words repulsewarrior. But what on earth do you mean by "thanks Bill for the translation"? I made the translation so ordered by Bill for God's sakes :D
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Re: AFRIKA

Postby bill cobbett » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:27 pm

kimon07 wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:thanks kimon, would have never read it other wise; i see from the debate that it's worth it, in that respect, thanks GR.

...oh and thank-you bill for the translation,


Thank you for your kind words repulsewarrior. But what on earth do you mean by "thanks Bill for the translation"? I made the translation so ordered by Bill for God's sakes :D


Yes and if could just point out that the correct translator has already been pointed out to RW.
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Re: AFRIKA

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:00 am

Viewpoint wrote:respulse why dont you just save us time tell us what you are trying to prove? what is it you are trying to say?


humour me viewpoint, why not answer the questions?
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Re: AFRIKA

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:12 am

@kimon, oops, sorry...

but somewhere there is a little English translation, honestly i'm too lazy to go back who, that was a big help...

cheers, and Freedom for Cyprus!
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Re: AFRIKA

Postby kimon07 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:25 am

repulsewarrior wrote:cheers, and Freedom for Cyprus!


:D

P.S. One of these days I will translate the whole article and post it so that everyone interested will be able to store it and rub it in their faces.
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