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I am telling you your "state" and your "country" and your religion and your language are valid only in your territory. North has nothing to do with the south and you are not getting it in any way.

That's not what you said earlier but anyway...

This "your territory" and "my territory" and the new north, east, south, west denominations are only possible for as long as Turkey plays the fiddle and you dance like a karagioz!

But it’s a matter of time before the fiddle stops playing… and I’d hate to be caught dancing with no music!

[kimon07]

I am telling you your "state" and your "country" and your religion........

1. IF you are a TC, MY religion used to be the one of your ancestors as well. So, be more respectful.
2. There are no different "states " or countries" on Cyprus.
There are only the FREE part of the R.O.C. and the enslaved part of it.
The free part is inhabited by free Cypriots, Greeks, Armenians, Maronite and Latin.
The enslaved part is inhabited by illegal Anatolian slave masters, Denktash thugs, gray wolves and some slaves. PERIOD.

[kimon07]

Turkey: An Apartheid State At the Gates of the EU

Turkey in 2011 aspires to join the European Union, and would be the first Muslim nation to join the EU. What social and political baggage will Turkey bring that should be inpsected before it joins other democratic nations. The most important rift is between the Kemalism of the last 80 years, the aggressively secular philosophy of modern Turkey’s founder Kemal Ataturk, and the religious traditions that never died under the rule of Ataturk and his successors.
An odd hangover of Kemalism that still influences the Islamist regime of Recip Erdogan is the idea of Turkey for the Turks rather than giving equal rights to all of those who live in the Turkish Republic. Although Armenians and Greeks are but a shadow of their former resence within Turkey’s boundaries, 20% of Turkey’s population is still Kurdish, a language and culture that is as indigenous to Turkey as is Turkish. The Kurds are denied the sort of autonomy that Basques and Catalonians take for granted in modern Spain. Despite the fact that Ataturk was inspired by Swiss Law in designing the Turkish legal code, the Swiss attitude towards local languages never took root in Turkey.

Under the Ottoman Empire, an Ottoman subject could be loyal to the Sultan and speak his own language, much as was the case in the Austro Hungarian Empire. Recip Erdogan and his Islamist government have yet to develop an attitude towards Turkishness that will fully embrace the ethnic diversity of modern Turkey.

It can be argued that Turkey’s norms of political freedom fall far below those of EU states such as Belgium and Spain that have dealt successfully with internal national diversity. Whatever its level of economic health, Turkey would be among the most repressive states in the European Union if it were to become a member state.

Can Turkey be admitted to the EU with festering national divisions and a weak commitment to democracy? Or should it enter the EU as two states, a Kurdish one and a Turkish one? The EU is already regretting the hasty union of economic powerhouse states such as Germany and France with weaker economies such as those of Greece and Spain. Turkey will bring a multitude of new problems if it is admitted with similar haste. Caution is in order.
Sultan Knish article on Turkish apartheid

http://globetribune.info/2011/06/21/tur ... of-the-eu/

[kimon07]

CBS Exposes Turkey’s Violation of Greek Minority Rights,.......

By Harut Sassounian // December 22, 2009 in Harut Sassounian // 40 Comments // Email // Print

On Dec. 17, CBS Network’s “60 Minutes” program aired a devastating expose of the violations of the rights of the Greek minority in Turkey.
Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew of the Greek Orthodox Church, headquartered in Istanbul, courageously criticized the Turkish government for treating him as a “second-class citizen.” He went on to state that he felt like he was being “crucified.”

This is perhaps the first time a major American TV network has dared to broadcast a program that reveals the discriminatory practices of the repressive Turkish regime against the Greek minority. It would appear that CBS was able to withstand the intense pressure Ankara and its highly paid Washington lobbyists routinely apply to censor programs that expose the Turkish government’s abusive behavior.

Not surprisingly, various Turkish officials, including President Gul, reacted angrily. Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu disingenuously suggested that the Greek Patriarch should have submitted his complaints to the authorities in Ankara. The foreign minister acted as if he was unaware that for years countless complaints had been lodged by the patriarch about the injustices suffered by his people. The Turkish government has not only remained unresponsive to these complaints, but has carried out a deliberate policy of harassment and intimidation to force thousands of Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians, and Jews to abandon their homes and businesses and relocate overseas.

Bob Simon, the correspondent for “60 Minutes,” reported that “at the turn of the last century, there were nearly 2 million Orthodox Christians in Turkey; 1.5 million were expelled in 1923, and another 150,000 left after violent anti-Christian riots in Istanbul in 1955. Today, in all of Turkey, there are only 4,000 Orthodox Christians left.” The figures quoted by Simon refer only to Greeks.

“I have visited the prime minister, many ministers, submitting our problems…asking to help us,” Patriarch Bartholomew told Simon. He never got a response.

Read More:
http://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/12/2 ... armenians/

[kimon07]

Non-muslim groups expect government to act after coding scandal

Today's Zaman
2 August 2013 /E. BARIŞ ALTINTAŞ, İSTANBUL

An official response to a query accidentally revealed that the Turkish state has been numbering its non-Muslim citizens, but not a single government official has made a statement concerning the issue.

Earlier this week, it became evident from an official response from the Education Ministry to a query that non-Muslim minorities in Turkey were monitored and filed based on their ethnicity. They were also assigned numbers, in a practice that dates back to the establishment of the republic.

According to a report by the Agos daily, since 1923 Armenians, Greeks and Jews have been assigned code numbers in official correspondence between government institutions. A letter sent by the İstanbul Directorate of National Education to its Şişli branch indicates that Armenian citizens are given the code number two.

This confidential categorization by the state is normally kept by census bureaus and revealed only when there is an official request from another government institution. According to this racial code system, Greeks are given the number one and Jews the number three.

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-322643- ... andal.html

[kimon07]

The Legacy of Forced Migrations in Modern Turkish Society.

Remembrance of the Things Past ?1

http://balkanologie.revues.org/709

[kimon07]

What happened on 6-7 September?

"Our father Atatürk's house has been bombed" was the headline of the Istanbul Express newspaper's second issue in 1955. Years later, retired general Sabri Yirmibeşoğlu refers to the pogrom of 6-7 September as an "excellent special warfare operation that reached its aim".
Tolga KORKUT
Istanbul - BİA News Center
08 September 2009, Tuesday

Supporting the views of Democratic Party, Istanbul Express Newspaper was owned by Mithat Perin, editorial director of that time was Gökşin Sipahioğlu. "Our father Atatürk's house has been bombed" made the headline of the newspaper's second issue. On 6 September 1955 290,000 issues were printed, exceeding the usual newspaper circulation of 20,000 papers by far. Members of the Cyprus Turkish Association started to distribute the issue all over Istanbul to agitate the people.
Due to reports from eyewitnesses, the riot started from a place in Pangaltı, nowadays the location of Ramada Hotel owned by a Greek citizen. In 1955 this was the place of popular localities such as the 'Haylayf' pastry shop. The riot started with attacking Haylayf pastry shop at 7.00 pm. From here the attacks spread all over Istanbul and all over the country.

Years later journalist Fatih Güllapoğlu interviewed retired general Sabri Yirmibeşoğlu about the Istanbul Riots. Yirmibeşoğlu described the attacks by saying "It was an excellent special warfare operation and it reached its goal." In those days the Greek authorities announced that the bombings in Thessaloniki were a provocation organized by the Turkish state. Oktay Engin, scholarship student at the Thessaloniki Faculty of Law and agent of the National Intelligence Agency ( MİT), and Hasan Uçar, tipstaff of the consulate in Thessaloniki, were arrested in regards with this event. After some time in detention Engin and Uçar were released because of the immunity of consular officials. Later on, Engin was appointed to important tasks in MİT, progressed quickly through the different administrative levels of the state and was promoted to the Governorship of Nevşehir in 1992.

According to the press, 11 people died in the riots, according to Greek sources 15 people lost their lives. Officially 30 people were injured, unofficial numbers amount to 300. The number of raped women is estimated to be above 200.

4,214 houses, 1,004 offices, 73 churches, one synagogue, one monastery, 26 schools and 5,317 other places such as hotels and bars were attacked.

http://bianet.org/english/minorities/11 ... -september

[kimon07]

The Istanbul Pogrom of 6–7 September1955

in the Light of International Law
Alfred de Zayas
Geneva School of Diplomacy

http://projusticia.net/documents/istambul_pogrom1.pdf

Tuesday, September 13, 2005
Greek photography exhibit recalling 1955 riots attacked in Istanbul

Ahh, what a moderate and enlightened Muslim nation. We should let them into the EU. Where is Jan Sobieski when you need him?

Ultranationalist Turkish militants attacked an exhibit in Istanbul of rare photographs of violent anti-Greek incidents that occurred in the city 50 years ago, ripping photos off the walls and throwing eggs at the display. Shouting, "Turkey is Turkish and will stay that way", the assailants burst into the exhibit on its opening night, scuffling with the guests
http://fjordman.blogspot.gr/2005/09/gre ... ng_13.html

[kimon07]

EU rejects reciprocity for Halki in wake of Erdoğan's statements

9 October 2013 /SELÇUK GÜLTAŞLI, BRUSSELS

The European Union, which has closely followed the religious freedoms of minorities in Turkey, has rejected a reciprocity proposal by Turkey for the possible re-opening of the Greek Orthodox Halki Seminary on Heybeliada, though welcoming the Turkish authorities' decision to return land to the Mor Gabriel Monastery.
In a statement by the European Commission on Tuesday, Brussels underlined that Turkey should ensure greater education for its minorities “as a matter of respect for the human rights of Turkish citizens and not as a bilateral or negotiable matter,” in reference to Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's remarks.
The EU reaction came in the wake of Erdoğan's statements that the Halki Seminary would only be reopened after reciprocal steps from Greece regarding the Turkish minority in Western Thrace. In a speech on Tuesday, Erdoğan categorically rejected accusations that the government was reluctant to reopen the seminary but demanded reciprocal steps from Greece regarding the rights of Muslims there in return.
“[The decision to reopen] the Halki Seminary hangs on an instant,” Erdoğan said during his party's parliamentary group meeting on Tuesday, indicating that the decision could be made quickly. “Whenever we decide to return something, we also have a right to expect something,” Erdoğan said.
Peter Stano, the spokesman for EU Commissioner for Enlargement and European Neighborhood Policy Stefan Füle, said there are currently no options for higher religious education for individual non-Muslim communities in either public or private education institutions and that Turkey has to ensure this as a matter of respect for the human rights of Turkish citizens. He added that the reopening of the Halki Seminary would help achieve this.
Erdoğan, on Tuesday, demanded the opening of two mosques in Athens and the election of muftis in Western Thrace by Greek Muslims themselves, which he said would be enough for Turkey to reopen the seminary. “Let Athens say ‘yes' and we will take reciprocal steps,” he said.
The Halki Seminary is one of the topics which the EU has been keenly following in the past few years, both in its European Commission and European Parliament reports. In its progress report last year, the commission had noted once again that, despite pledges, the seminary remained closed. “Restrictions on the training of clergy remain. Neither the Turkish legislation nor the public education system provide for private higher religious education for individual communities. Despite announcements by the authorities, the Halki (Heybeliada) Greek Orthodox seminary remained closed,” the report said. The topic is expected to be highlighted again in the upcoming progress report to be published next week on Oct. 16.
The seminary, formally the Halki Theological School, was established on Oct. 1, 1844 on the island of Heybeliada. It was the main school of theology of the Eastern Orthodox Church's Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople until Parliament enacted a law banning private higher education institutions in 1971.

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-328602- ... ments.html

[kimon07]

Toughest EU report in years slams Ankara
October/10/2012
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Culture of Intolerance

On the issue of the reopening of Halki Seminary the report says non-Muslim communities continue to face problems due to their lack of legal personality, with adverse effects on property rights and access to justice. Restrictions on the training of clergy remain. Despite announcements by the authorities, the Halki (Heybeliada) Greek Orthodox Seminary remains closed. Non-Muslim religious communities have reported several instances of hate crimes. Anti-Semitism and hate speech in the media has not been punished. There is a culture of intolerance of minorities. Missionaries are widely perceived as a threat to the integrity of the country and to the Muslim religion. Turkey’s overall approach to minorities remains restrictive, and full respect for and protection of language, culture and fundamental rights in accordance with European standards have yet to be achieved, the report says.

The report addresses the concerns of Alevis, saying Alevis were concerned by the marking of many houses belonging to Alevi citizens in a number of provinces and by incidents against them.

And regarding Cyprus the report says the EU urges the avoidance of any kind of threat, source of friction or action that could damage good neighborly relations and the peaceful settlement of disputes. It calls n Turkey fulfill its obligation to fully implement the Additional Protocol and make progress towards normalization of bilateral relations with Cyprus.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/toughe ... sCatID=338