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[Hermes]

Those that want to turn the TCs into a minority, in a previous life, wanted Cyprus to become part of Greece. Turning the TCs into a minority cannot happen, so stop playing with this issue because people just lough at you.

The question is not "turning the TCs into a minority" but turning them into useful EU citizens with all the rights and responsibilities that go with it. At the moment, their adherence to a policy of violently enforced self-segregation makes it impossible for them to participate in any kind of meaningful future on the island. Instead of equal citizens of the Republic they have chosen to become a "minority" on the island demanding special privileges. Now they are a "minority" in the pirate state and have only the privileges of the Turkish plunder of the island. The TCs have too often been the willing dupes of Ankara's policies. It is not too harsh to suggest that they have reaped what they have sown. They still have the right to reject their slow extinction at Ankara's hands. But I'm not holding my breath.

[Viewpoint]

^^^
In reply to Viewpoint's convoluted nit-picking I will be brief:

1. You cannot change a constitutional agreement without democratic agreement by the parties. As in any other federal state.
2. Of course a unified state will allow communities to inter-mingle more. Unless you want segregation as in apartheid South Africa where blacks and white were kept apart.
3. More information on the OSCE can be found here: http://www.osce.org/

Still no real answers, just avoidance.

[Hermes]

Still no real answers, just avoidance.

The answer is out there, VP, and it's looking for you, and it will find you if you want it to.

[Viewpoint]

Still no real answers, just avoidance.

The answer is out there, VP, and it's looking for you, and it will find you if you want it to.

Obviosly from our debate you dont have them.

[Hermes]

Obviosly from our debate you dont have them.

I have all the answers I need, VP. You also have to find your own way to the answers you are looking for.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Once the TCs chose to affiliate with Turkey and refused to 'help' govern the RoC as per the Constitution, they took themselves OUT of the equation of governing Cyprus under any auspices relating to the Constitution. The RoC went on further, legally, and with FULL recognition to take the RoC into the EU. Now, it will follow the Democratic principles which its sister EU-States also follow. No extra Guarantees! If the TCs ever want to come back under the RoC banner - WITHOUT any affiliation to Turkey - then it is up to the EU to permit them; becasue if too long passes, and they become indistinguishable from Settler-Turks, then they will be transferred back to Turkey (what is left of it) when the RoC-EU exercises its rightful authority over the whole Island again.

[Bananiot]

I was replying to the following statement by Kimon:

However, I fully understand the anxiety and the wish of the Turkish Cypriot Minority for additional guaranties regarding their safety and the protection of their rights.

Is this how you see the role of the TC community Hermes too?

[Viewpoint]

Obviosly from our debate you dont have them.

I have all the answers I need, VP. You also have to find your own way to the answers you are looking for.

Im sorry to have to be the one to tell you but you have the wrong answers that's why there will never be a solution in Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

Once the TCs chose to affiliate with Turkey and refused to 'help' govern the RoC as per the Constitution, they took themselves OUT of the equation of governing Cyprus under any auspices relating to the Constitution. The RoC went on further, legally, and with FULL recognition to take the RoC into the EU. Now, it will follow the Democratic principles which its sister EU-States also follow. No extra Guarantees! If the TCs ever want to come back under the RoC banner - WITHOUT any affiliation to Turkey - then it is up to the EU to permit them; becasue if too long passes, and they become indistinguishable from Settler-Turks, then they will be transferred back to Turkey (what is left of it) when the RoC-EU exercises its rightful authority over the whole Island again.

Dont hold your breath.

[Nikitas]

Who guarantees the federal structure of Switzerland? Of the USA, Canada, Australia, Germany?

We find them and get them to guarantee ours. And we stop the bullshit about any of the tree present guarantors having any part in it. The three are only capable of causing trouble, they have not made any positive contribution to Cyprus because they see it as a game of power. In fact there should be a clause in the agreement expressly excluding them from having any role in the future of the place.