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[Hermes]

Hermes wrote

That's why I posted it. I have no problems with the UN quote you posted either. What it doesn't advocate is a confederation or permanent derogations or political inequality. Unfortunately, Turkey is clearly not sticking to the UN guidelines. This is widely understood, isn't it?

Well, I am genuinely glad you said the above. BBF is not widely understood nor is it supported by most of the GCs writing in this forum.

Unfortunately most GCs are only too aware that Turkey has chosen to interpret BBF, to use Rauf Denktash's expression, as "dismemberment": a confederation of what is actually two protectorates, so that Turkey can assure itself full control in the north and co-management of the entire island of Cyprus.

The reason for this is clear. In a European environment, a BBF as the Turks conceive and pursue it (read, partition) cannot survive, i.e., hedging two "sovereign" states on the island, ghettoizing two "ethnically pure" populations, without freedom of communication and movement of goods and people. Thus, the bi-zonality of the Turkish way constitutes the negation of everything that Europe has conquered since the time of the French Revolution, and, of course, since the founding of the EC and the EU.

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hermes

Don't be ridiculous. Where I have I said that I excuse hooligan behaviour? You're making it up! I condemn all mindless violence whether at football, volleyball or anywhere else.

People are not stupid and they can see right through your last minute attempt to save face, you only condemn this act when I call you out on it before you were making excuses for these animals, says a lot about your real motives to place the blame clearly on the TCs.

I also condemn the mindless violence of the Turkish occupying authorities who stormed Christian Churches in the north to break up religious services. Religious freedom is a human right. The storming of GC churches in the occupied areas was carried out by an army of the occupying power not by a bunch of sports hooligans. Do you also condemn the mindless violence of the occupying authorities in the north?

Totally, in this case I support you 100%.

Once we have finished condemning mindless violence can we stop using violence as an excuse for continuing the violence of the partition? It's stupid to use the actions of hooligans at a sports match to justify an illegal occupation. It sounds like you're just looking for any pathetic excuse. Instead why not concentrate on the thousands of TCs who travel to the free areas every week without any problems? But of course that doesn't fit in with your partitionist agenda!

You are getting it wrong again the violence ended in 1974, we have both enjoyed tranquility and a peaceful existence living apart, this we never had in the years leading up to the division we have today. This is a fact and whatever you say cannot change this as development on both sides confirm this reality.

The actions of these hooligans against Turkish ladies visiting your country playing a sport under international rules which you claimed a few days ago were sufficient to protect them, how wrong you were once again.

As for the relatively "trouble free" crossings you can thanks the Turkish Armies presence for this because without them we would encounter more and more violence against each other. The dividing line is also another factor which allows for a clear indication of who is the trouble maker GCs or TCs whereas in the past they were placing the blame on each other and it was difficult to find the culprit.

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and comprising two politically equal communities .....

Yeah, right, thats what started the problem in the first place. Another GC wanker wanting to make money on a book, hade assirktir malaka.

Oh, and you have no F chance.

[Hermes]

You are getting it wrong again the violence ended in 1974, we have both enjoyed tranquility and a peaceful existence living apart, this we never had in the years leading up to the division we have today. This is a fact and whatever you say cannot change this as development on both sides confirm this reality.

This is a daft post! Even by your standards. The violence clearly didn't end in 1974. The partition is a daily act of violence perpetrated by 40,000 troops. It is the threat of violence which prevents people from returning to their land and homes. It is not "tranquility" or "peace". That is why we're engaged in "peace talks". To end the violent division of the island.

Sometimes, VP, it's like you're living in an Alice In Wonderland world where everything means the opposite of what it is. Thus a brutal invasion becomes a "peace operation" , the theft of people's land is an "exchange"; and now "tranquility" is violently-enforced segregation. What a bizarre fucked-up world you live in!

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You are getting it wrong again the violence ended in 1974, we have both enjoyed tranquility and a peaceful existence living apart, this we never had in the years leading up to the division we have today. This is a fact and whatever you say cannot change this as development on both sides confirm this reality.

This is a daft post! Even by your standards. The violence clearly didn't end in 1974. The partition is a daily act of violence perpetrated by 40,000 troops. It is the threat of violence which prevents people from returning to their land and homes. It is not "tranquility" or "peace". That is why we're engaged in "peace talks". To end the violent division of the island.

Sometimes, VP, it's like you're living in an Alice In Wonderland world where everything means the opposite of what it is. Thus a brutal invasion becomes a "peace operation" , the theft of people's land is an "exchange"; and now "tranquility" is violently-enforced segregation. What a bizarre fucked-up world you live in!

Should I just give up now? its not really worth debating with you as we are two perfect examples of why there will never be a solution. You cannot impose your beliefs upon me nor me on you, thats why being and staying divided is really the best solution all round for we will never tolerate or understand one another,

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Should I just give up now? its not really worth debating with you as we are two perfect examples of why there will never be a solution. You cannot impose your beliefs upon me nor me on you, thats why being and staying divided is really the best solution all round for we will never tolerate or understand one another,

Another stupid post. It's not that GCs disagree with you that's the problem. It's because you want to keep what doesn't belong to you - like the thief and plunderer you are!

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Should I just give up now? its not really worth debating with you as we are two perfect examples of why there will never be a solution. You cannot impose your beliefs upon me nor me on you, thats why being and staying divided is really the best solution all round for we will never tolerate or understand one another,

Another stupid post. It's not that GCs disagree with you that's the problem. It's because you want to keep what doesn't belong to you - like the thief and plunderer you are!

You are being moronic once again only goes to show that your intelligence is limited to GC rantings that TCs are thieves, well answer this how we can we steal something we already own...if Cyprus belongs to all Cypriots of Greek and Turkish origin or do you disagree with this fact as well? then how can we be stealing something which already belongs to us?

Now if you are referring to individual property rights then we to have lost land in the south or doesnt that count? in your narrow and biased little world only GC property is important the TC property is irrelevant.

Why dont you just come out and admit that you are one of the GCs who think that Cyprus is Greek and that TCs should be annihilated because they are to blame for everything under the sun because thats how you come across on this forum.

[Hermes]

Now if you are referring to individual property rights then we to have lost land in the south or doesnt that count? in your narrow and biased little world only GC property is important the TC property is irrelevant.

TCs are entitled to their land in the south just as are GCs in the occupied areas. Let's hand it all back to the rightful owners. I'm glad we agree on something at last!

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I am still blaming the TC's for current situation including their support of a regime storming into churhes and inflicting unnecessary emotional stress on people.

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Now if you are referring to individual property rights then we to have lost land in the south or doesnt that count? in your narrow and biased little world only GC property is important the TC property is irrelevant.

TCs are entitled to their land in the south just as are GCs in the occupied areas. Let's hand it all back to the rightful owners. I'm glad we agree on something at last!

This goes without question but we have to agree a comprehensive solution, seeing we cannot neither of us can have our individual properties.

Seeing you have not responded to the rest of my post we will take it that the points I raised are correct.