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[Viewpoint]

Well, VP, you gave me precisely the answers and comments I expected from you and those who share your opinions.
Now, can you explain why 64,6% of Turkish Cypriots voted against the Annan Plan in 2004 just like the GCs did, and why the Anatolians voted Yes? And why Denktash and Turkey rejected Annan Plan 2 in 2002 while the GC leadership was prepared to sign it?

Your figures are fictitious therefore not warranting a reply.

[Kikapu]

Well, VP, you gave me precisely the answers and comments I expected from you and those who share your opinions.
Now, can you explain why 64,6% of Turkish Cypriots voted against the Annan Plan in 2004 just like the GCs did, and why the Anatolians voted Yes? And why Denktash and Turkey rejected Annan Plan 2 in 2002 while the GC leadership was prepared to sign it?

Actually, all those who voted in 2004 in the AP referendum, including the Illegal Aliens settlers in the north, the overall results were 55.5% vs. 44.5% AGAINST the AP, which can be viewed as a landslide defeat for the AP, and deservedly so.

[Viewpoint]

While we are at if we exlude the new generation Tcs and produce a net figure we can clearly see that 89% of old generation TCs voted in favor of the Annan Plan.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu, for me to be treated with any respect on this wonderful forum I would have to post stuff over and over again to please the Greeks and I'm simply not prepared to do that. I wouldn't even mind if your posts were a well balanced viewpoint but they are far from it. Look at all your posts, thousands to look at, find me one post that has no insults on your own people and direct me to it so that I may take you seriously in the future.

Al,

For you to be treated with respect on this forum or anywhere else in the western world has nothing to with the GCs. It has to do with your non acceptance of Democracy, Human Rights, International law and the EU Principles as the case is in ALL western societies, regardless of it's problems now and then. So, unless these become your basic values also and not the impression you seem to give that you are against these basic fundamental values which, which is what the EU is based on, then you are always going to be treated with disdain. I don't know why you are shocked to be treated with such contempt?

My posts are ALL based on supporting ALL Cypriots to live as equal people in Cyprus with ALL their rights given to them without any discrimination and unfair treatment where one does not need to give up their Democratic and Human Rights in order satisfy the other. My issues with the north is not with the average decent TCs, but with their corrupt and puppet leaders who have forced the TCs to live in a corrupted society, on principles of the "trnc" which is based on Ethnic Cleansing. You may be happy with the situation in the north that the average TCs are forced to live under such conditions, but I'm not and will speak out against these Fascists. Now, show me where I insult the average TCs in my posts, or else you can too take your place with past accusers who have never been able to prove otherwise. Looks like you will become the next such accuser, leaving with your tail between your legs.

[Kikapu]

While we are at if we exlude the new generation Tcs and produce a net figure we can clearly see that 89% of old generation TCs voted in favor of the Annan Plan.

55.5% vs. 44.5% AGAINST the AP in 2004.

This is what counts, hence the reasons as to why the US, UN and EU is NOT promoting the AP. The rest is meaningless.

[Kikapu]

for me to be treated with any respect on this wonderful forum I would have to post stuff over and over again to please the Greeks and I'm simply not prepared to do that.

For you to be treated with respect you need to show that you have some independence of thought and that you are willing to stand up for democracy and human rights for all Cypriots. As long as you persist in trying to play the blame-game or to justify the Turkish occupation then you will be treated with the contempt you deserve.

No, I would have to be Kikapu2 to have any respect from you guys and that is a no no.

You can never become a "Kikapu2", not unless you start behaving like a Human Being, which you yourself accepted that you are not one.

Better start learn to walk first before you want to run, or else you will only fall flat on your face every time.

Wishing you luck in advance.

[kimon07]

Your figures are fictitious therefore not warranting a reply.[/quote]

But of course, of course. No substantiated contradiction though eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_An ... 04#Results

You will not even explain why you rejected Annan Plan 2 in 2002? Or is this fact is ficticious as well?

[kimon07]

While we are at if we exlude the new generation Tcs and produce a net figure we can clearly see that 89% of old generation TCs voted in favor of the Annan Plan.

Sure, sure. Counting the TMT/Denktash thugs between them are you? But I also counted THEM between the Yessmen.
And how do you know the exact percentage of your "old generation" Yesmen? You was one of those monitoring the voting preferences of the TCs were you? But wasn't voting secret up there in the North? It certainly was for us in the South (don't tell me your figure comes from exit polls cause I will laugh knowing the TMT was just around the corner).
Oh and, how many thousants (out of the 65.000 TC voters) may those voters of the "old generation" have been then? And are you sure they were all alive during the referendum? And in any case, how many of them are still alive today after 7 years?
And what about what the "new generations of Cypriots" think and want? Who cares right? We simply "exclude them". As long as we do what Turkey wants! Vey European, very Democratic and very Cypriot, indeed.

[kimon07]

Your figures are fictitious therefore not warranting a reply.

OK. Can you give me the true figures? How many TCs and how many Anatolians voted?
I am certain your "democratic" administration has them and they will not hesitate to give them to you. All you will have to do is ask them. Right?
P.S. Personally I believe that the TC voters were much less than the generous figure of 65.000 I suggested in my post. Prove me wrong.

[kimon07]

Actually, all those who voted in 2004 in the AP referendum, including the Illegal Aliens settlers in the north, the overall results were 55.5% vs. 44.5% AGAINST the AP, which can be viewed as a landslide defeat for the AP, and deservedly so.

Wrong: Total Valid Votes 533.291 [Gr428.587+Tr124.963 – (invalid 14.915+5.344)]

NO 355.677 66.70%
Yes 177.622 33,30%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_An ... 04#Results