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for me to be treated with any respect on this wonderful forum I would have to post stuff over and over again to please the Greeks and I'm simply not prepared to do that.

For you to be treated with respect you need to show that you have some independence of thought and that you are willing to stand up for democracy and human rights for all Cypriots. As long as you persist in trying to play the blame-game or to justify the Turkish occupation then you will be treated with the contempt you deserve.

You morons keep playing this "democracy and human rights for all Cypriots" card dont you have anything else? let me try and explain this simply, if democracy and human rights for all Cypriots is the knife of a surgeon and the surgeon is skilled and trustworthy you get a great result but place that knife in the hands of a proven power hungry untrustworthy madman (=GCs) and what do you get? danger to one well being and life. Now do you understand why democracy and human rights for all Cypriots on its own is fine and we all support it, in the wrong hands its spells danger and mayhem for everyone...thats why we will never give that knife to the GC surgeon/madman.

[Piratis]

for me to be treated with any respect on this wonderful forum I would have to post stuff over and over again to please the Greeks and I'm simply not prepared to do that.

For you to be treated with respect you need to show that you have some independence of thought and that you are willing to stand up for democracy and human rights for all Cypriots. As long as you persist in trying to play the blame-game or to justify the Turkish occupation then you will be treated with the contempt you deserve.

You morons keep playing this "democracy and human rights for all Cypriots" card dont you have anything else? let me try and explain this simply, if democracy and human rights for all Cypriots is the knife of a surgeon and the surgeon is skilled and trustworthy you get a great result but place that knife in the hands of a proven power hungry untrustworthy madman (=GCs) and what do you get? danger to one well being and life. Now do you understand why democracy and human rights for all Cypriots on its own is fine and we all support it, in the wrong hands its spells danger and mayhem for everyone...thats why we will never give that knife to the GC surgeon/madman.

Yet again you show your racism. You never accepted to live under a democratic system together with us, so based on what you judge us?

Cyprus is a democratic EU country. There are other minorities in Cyprus which are respected and we have no problems with.

The "madman" are the Turks, who deny to their Kurdish community of 20% to speak their own language and have a Kurdish party. But this never seemed to be a problem to you.

So cut the crap and the lame excuses. You don't want democracy and human rights because you are happy to enjoy privileges on the expense of our human and democratic rights.

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for me to be treated with any respect on this wonderful forum I would have to post stuff over and over again to please the Greeks and I'm simply not prepared to do that.

For you to be treated with respect you need to show that you have some independence of thought and that you are willing to stand up for democracy and human rights for all Cypriots. As long as you persist in trying to play the blame-game or to justify the Turkish occupation then you will be treated with the contempt you deserve.

You morons keep playing this "democracy and human rights for all Cypriots" card dont you have anything else? let me try and explain this simply, if democracy and human rights for all Cypriots is the knife of a surgeon and the surgeon is skilled and trustworthy you get a great result but place that knife in the hands of a proven power hungry untrustworthy madman (=GCs) and what do you get? danger to one well being and life. Now do you understand why democracy and human rights for all Cypriots on its own is fine and we all support it, in the wrong hands its spells danger and mayhem for everyone...thats why we will never give that knife to the GC surgeon/madman.

Yet again you show your racism. You never accepted to live under a democratic system together with us, so based on what you judge us?

Cyprus is a democratic EU country. There are other minorities in Cyprus which are respected and we have no problems with.

The "madman" are the Turks, who deny to their Kurdish community of 20% to speak their own language and have a Kurdish party. But this never seemed to be a problem to you.

So cut the crap and the lame excuses. You don't want democracy and human rights because you are happy to enjoy privileges on the expense of our human and democratic rights.

Piratis please spare us the reverse psychology, we are talking about GCs here who are the majority in Cyprus and if we accepted would be given the knife of democracy and human rights, the fact they are now in a straight jacket doesnt make them any less dangerous....I have tried to make it as simple as possible for everyone to understand but still you are playing silly buggers, why can you not understand that we will not just had you that knife to do as you wish we need guarantees which you are not willing to provide.

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Pirati. hermes, save it guys. These people are beyond help.

Have you noticed that each time you accuse them of being racist, facists and wanting an undemocratic system, they never once denied it. It it plainly obvious for all to see that this is the only 'solution' they are willing to consider, a totally, unfair, onesided, racist system that gives 18% of the population 50% power and Turkey unconditional intervention rights.

And they DEMAND that we accept or else. Well, I'll wait for the or else thank you very much.

We are just wasting our time even offering these guys a way forward.

lets just develop what we have built up and keep pushing for the removal of turkey from our shores. The TCs would have disappeared by then, and who gives a shit now. Listening to their racists, facists, pertitionist comments they can go F themselves.

[Hermes]

Piratis please spare us the reverse psychology, we are talking about GCs here who are the majority in Cyprus and if we accepted would be given the knife of democracy and human rights, the fact they are now in a straight jacket doesnt make them any less dangerous....I have tried to make it as simple as possible for everyone to understand but still you are playing silly buggers, why can you not understand that we will not just had you that knife to do as you wish we need guarantees which you are not willing to provide.

Democracy and human rights are "dangerous and a "strait-jacket"!!! That is a fine fascist sentiment!! Let there be no doubt that VP is advocating a fascist solution. He knows it only too well. None of this democracy and human rights for him. No wonder he is opposed to the EU acquis as the basis for a solution. No such guarantee for him. It is a "knife" that would bring an end to his little fascist wet-dream...

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piratis

The truth again: EOKA was formed to fight against the British colonialists. The TCs joined the British and attacked EOKA and soon after unarmed GCs. GCs retaliated in kind.

Why were they doing that Piratis, what was their ultimate goal? and how would it effect the TCs mentality and whole future?

If you mean why EOKA started a struggle against the colonialists the reason is that the era of colonialism was long over and the British still refused to allow the Cypriot people to peacefully and democratically decide the destiny of their own island. The fact is that the struggle was against the colonialists, not against the TC minority. Unfortunately the TCs didn't show any respect to the wishes of the majority of the population and they decided to turn against us, helping the British to fight against EOKA and soon after targeting unarmed GC civilians.

Now can we have the honest and correct response? why did the GCs want to get rid of the colonalists?

To decide the destiny of their own island democratically instead of having the Colonialists deciding about us. That is the honest, correct and obvious answer.

And what about the TCs who opposed this and felt it would be there death warrant? do they not count in the name of human rights? of course they had to fight for survival, the alternative was unthinkable leaving them no choice but to side with the Brits giving them a chance to stop you from gifting the island to Greece.

[Hermes]

And what about the TCs who opposed this and felt it would be there death warrant? do they not count in the name of human rights? of course they had to fight for survival, the alternative was unthinkable leaving them no choice but to side with the Brits giving them a chance to stop you from gifting the island to Greece.

The TC extremists in the 1960s were not agitating for "human rights". They were agitating, through terrorism, for its opposite: partition and division. That is why the TMT assassinated Turkish Cypriots who were advocating peaceful co-existence. Or are you telling me that the TMT were murdering Turkish Cypriots because these people wanted union with Greece?

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Piratis please spare us the reverse psychology, we are talking about GCs here who are the majority in Cyprus and if we accepted would be given the knife of democracy and human rights, the fact they are now in a straight jacket doesnt make them any less dangerous....I have tried to make it as simple as possible for everyone to understand but still you are playing silly buggers, why can you not understand that we will not just had you that knife to do as you wish we need guarantees which you are not willing to provide.

Democracy and human rights are "dangerous and a "strait-jacket"!!! That is a fine fascist sentiment!! Let there be no doubt that VP is advocating a fascist solution. He knows it only too well. None of this democracy and human rights for him. No wonder he is opposed to the EU acquis as the basis for a solution. No such guarantee for him. It is a "knife" that would bring an end to his little fascist wet-dream...

Please read my post again, democracy and human rights placed in the wrong hands being the GCs in this case can be very dangerous for TCs, thats why you feel we oppose your right to do as wish in a united Cyprus. You are trying to use democracy and human rights to take control of the whole island and kick us into minority status.

As for the EU aquis being a solution you were unable to provide any concrete examples that would persuade TCs to agree with you unite in the EU and move away from Turkey.

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And what about the TCs who opposed this and felt it would be there death warrant? do they not count in the name of human rights? of course they had to fight for survival, the alternative was unthinkable leaving them no choice but to side with the Brits giving them a chance to stop you from gifting the island to Greece.

The TC extremists in the 1960s were not agitating for "human rights". They were agitating, through terrorism, for its opposite: partition and division. That is why the TMT assassinated Turkish Cypriots who were advocating peaceful co-existence. Or are you telling me that the TMT were murdering Turkish Cypriots because these people wanted union with Greece?

What did you expect them to do support your enosis dream and sign their own death warrant? Your terrorists pushed for your enosis dream regardless of what TCs wanted, taksim cam well after enosis but our fight was in reaction to yours, if you had nmot have tried to give Cyprus to Greece we would not have division today.

[Hermes]

And what about the TCs who opposed this and felt it would be there death warrant? do they not count in the name of human rights? of course they had to fight for survival, the alternative was unthinkable leaving them no choice but to side with the Brits giving them a chance to stop you from gifting the island to Greece.

The TC extremists in the 1960s were not agitating for "human rights". They were agitating, through terrorism, for its opposite: partition and division. That is why the TMT assassinated Turkish Cypriots who were advocating peaceful co-existence. Or are you telling me that the TMT were murdering Turkish Cypriots because these people wanted union with Greece?

What did you expect them to do support your enosis dream and sign their own death warrant? Your terrorists pushed for your enosis dream regardless of what TCs wanted, taksim cam well after enosis but our fight was in reaction to yours, if you had nmot have tried to give Cyprus to Greece we would not have division today.

So why did the TMT kill Turkish Cypriots who were clearly not advocating for union with Greece?