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[Viewpoint]

We have been counted.

And what are you prepared to do if the result shows 200.000 or 300.000 TCs??

Nothing.

[kimon07]

We have been counted.

And what are you prepared to do if the result shows 200.000 or 300.000 TCs??

Nothing.

I had no doubt.

[Hermes]

Here are some figures we can trust:

99,000 Turkish Cypriots have Cyprus Republic birth certificates

A newspaper in northern Cyprus reports that 99,000 Turkish Cypriots have been issued birth certificates from the Republic of Cyprus, with 58,069 Cypriot passports having also been issued to Turkish Cypriots this year.

The new biometric passports have already been given to 7,376 Turkish Cypriots.

Speaking to Kibris, the Interior Minister Neoclis Sylikiotis added that 93,308 ID cards had also been issued to Turkish Cypriots.

Meanwhile, Turkish Cypriots are conducting a census today.

http://famagusta-gazette.com/turkish-cy ... 706-69.htm

[Hermes]

And the first results are in....

It was a fiasco!

Many persons called KIBRIS TV from occupied Lefkosia, Gonyeli, Keryneia, Agios Georgios, Lepithos, Kazafani, Kapouti, Famagusta, Trikomo and many other regions and said that they waited for being counted but no one visited them. Many persons complained for the inexperience of the employees who were conducting the census.

Many houses in occupied Lefkosia's industrial area, where workers (from Turkey) live, were not visited by the enumerators. Among those who were not counted, was the mukhtar of occupied Gonyeli.

Meanwhile, the well-known Turkish Cypriot advocate Mustafa Asena, who lives in occupied Agios Georgios in Keryneia, told Kibris TV that approximately 150 workers live in his neighbourhood, but no enumerator was sent to that area.

In statements to the same channel, the self-styled minister of interior and local administrations Nazim Cavusoglu criticized the statements of Asena and said that the census will continue today.

The paper writes that after a while occupied Keryneia's so-called "district officer" visited the area and personally started counting the workers.

Furthermore, the enumerators who visited an area, where a group of workers in the citrus fruits gardens in Morfou live, were told that the workers were absent yesterday and that they could return today. A person living in the area said that the workers hid in the gardens because they were afraid due to the fact that they are illegal.

Turkish Cypriot daily Afrika (05.12.11) refers to the issue under the title "Population census fiasco", and reports that UN high ranking officials with whom the paper met, said that they were not informed that seven UN observers have been assigned. The paper writes that the seven persons do not belong to the UN, but they are experts on population matters who work for the UN on contract. The paper publishes statements by Michell Durr, the head of the UN delegation, who said that they are not employees of the UN but "experts on population issues" who work with the good offices mission of the UN. Two of the so-called observers worked in occupied Lefkosia, and one in every other occupied town, that is, Keryneia, Famagusta, Morfou and Trikomo. According to Durr, even if the census was a little bit different from what is usually done, it was in harmony with the UN advices.

The paper reports that many people said that their houses were not visited yesterday until 18.00 when the curfew ended. The enumerators visited some houses many times, while they did not go at all to some other houses.

The self-styled minister of interior Cavusoglu said that amnesty will be issued today for those illegally living in the occupied area of Cyprus and added that those who have not been counted could apply today to their nearest "district office".

The self-styled prime minister Kucuk said that this was the last time when people are closed in their houses due to population census. He said that they instructed the so-called State Planning Organization to take the necessary measures so that the population censuses to be held without the implementation of curfew. Kucuk stated that the census will be very important for the budget planning of the occupation regime.

Turkish Cypriot daily Yeni Duzen (05.12.11) also refers to the issue and criticizes both the method used and the questions asked during the census. According to the paper, showing an identity card was not obligatory and the paper wonders how the enumerators were able to distinguish if the facts said by the interviewees core correct or not. The paper also writes that questions regarding birth and abortion annoyed the persons questioned. In addition the persons reacted because under the question "where are you from", or "what is your nation", the interviewees were directed to reply "Turk" or "Greek Cypriot" and they were not allowed to reply "Cypriot" or "Turkish Cypriot". The paper also notes that in many houses, where the residence were illegal workers, were not opened for the enumerators.

Under the title "It was not a census, it was a fiasco", Turkish Cypriot daily Ortam (05.12.11) writes that the time planned for the conducting of the census, during which curfew was applied in the occupied areas, was not enough for the persons living in the occupied areas to be counted. The paper also writes that many houses were not registered and the contests of some questions asked, confused the people.

Haberdar (05.12.11) writes that the census result will be announced in 2-3 days but the detailed information will be announced in 2-3 months.

The paper also publishes statements by the self-styled finance minister, Ersin Tatar, who said that it is estimated that the population in the occupied areas is around 400.000.

Finally, Turkish Cypriot Yeni Duzen under the title "So-called UN-observers?" reported on Saturday (03.12.11), prior to the conducting of the census, that the seven persons, who appeared to be UN observers for the census are not related to the UN and that by Michell Durr, the head of the delegation, works for a firm named JMSTAT. The paper went on and wrote that the seven persons were not paid by the UN but by the self-styled government and that they were assigned their duties by it.

http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/201 ... .tcpr.html

[Hermes]

Enumerator's were drunk! Illegals told to hide!

Turkish Cypriot columnist Kartal Harman writes in his daily column in daily Turkish Cypriot Kibrisli (06.12.11) that the breakaway regime failed in the population census held on Sunday, like it fails "in everything".

Referring to the statements made by the Turkish Cypriot leader Eroglu and the self-styled minister of interior Cavusoglu, who both expressed their satisfaction with the organization of the census, Harman wondered: "Either we live elsewhere or minister Cavusoglu and president Eroglu are minister and president in another country. For God's sake, how could you be satisfied with such shameful organization? How could you describe 'excellent' an organization in which nothing went right? How could a census be excellent if the enumerators and those who were counted are unknown, and drunk enumerators tried to conduct the census? ?"

Harman goes on and refers to a phone call he received from occupied Famagusta. The person who called said that the woman who went to his residence to register him was not Cypriot, but the most important thing is that she was drunk. He noted that he understood this because she smelled alcohol. "She had used so much alcohol that she was writing the information in the wrong place. If I had not warned her, she would have written everything wrongly", he said.

Harman recalls a statement made by "minister" Cavusoglu, who before the census, had said that "if you hide in the rooms, we will not be able to count you". Harman argues that with this statement Cavusoglu satisfied those illegally living in the occupied area of Cyprus and the owners of guesthouses, because after this statement all those who illegally live there rushed into guesthouses. "As of Saturday evening, hundreds of persons were hidden in every guesthouse in the area within the walls of Lefkosia? The statement made by minister Cavusoglu almost underlined what the illegal workers should do in order for not being counted. It was very easy. The message was very clear. Go to a guesthouse. Close up in a room. Do not open the door to those who knock. And the next day continue your illegal life!"

http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/201 ... .tcpr.html

[Hermes]

7000 TCs vanish into thin air. Possibly abducted by aliens. Or maybe they just didn't exist. Who knows?

The recent census carried out in the north is causing a bit of a headache for the Kioneli ‘mayor’ after recording 7,000 fewer residents than in the local authority has registered in its books. According to Turkish Cypriot daily Kibris, which ran the story yesterday with the headline ‘Where did 7,000 people go?’, Kioneli community leader Ahmet Benli claims there are 23,000 people registered in his municipality. The recent census carried out on December 3 on the orders of Turkish Cypriot leader Dervis Eroglu recorded a population of 16,000 for the Nicosia suburb, leaving Benli scratching his head as to where the 7,000 ‘surplus’ residents went.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/turkish-cypr ... y/20111225

[B25]

Well, this just underlines the fact that everything that goes on in the fake state, is, well, just fake!

I mean what did anyone really expect??

[Viewpoint]

Well, this just underlines the fact that everything that goes on in the fake state, is, well, just fake!

I mean what did anyone really expect??

You wanted them to go, please make up your bloody minds...they can easily be replaced by new TCs

[Hermes]

Where have all the TCs gone?

"Municipalities" of the breakaway regime shocked with results of the population census

Turkish Cypriot daily Halkin Sesi (28.12.11) reports that as the details of the population census that took place on the 4th of December in occupied Cyprus are being revealed, more and more municipalities are astounded by the results. According to the paper, the announced population of some municipalities is by 25% less than the expected population. This causes great problems because the amount of money that will be allocated to them will be smaller, and it will not represent the actual population, they say.

http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/201 ... .tcpr.html

[bill cobbett]

7000 TCs vanish into thin air. Possibly abducted by aliens. Or maybe they just didn't exist. Who knows?

The recent census carried out in the north is causing a bit of a headache for the Kioneli ‘mayor’ after recording 7,000 fewer residents than in the local authority has registered in its books. According to Turkish Cypriot daily Kibris, which ran the story yesterday with the headline ‘Where did 7,000 people go?’, Kioneli community leader Ahmet Benli claims there are 23,000 people registered in his municipality. The recent census carried out on December 3 on the orders of Turkish Cypriot leader Dervis Eroglu recorded a population of 16,000 for the Nicosia suburb, leaving Benli scratching his head as to where the 7,000 ‘surplus’ residents went.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/turkish-cypr ... y/20111225

Given we have heard so many stories like the one above and the normally dormant press in the Occupied Areas has been very critical of this census...

Opinions please....

Why are the Illegal Regime under-declaring the population ? To go further why, in particular, are they under-recording the Illegal Settlers, the extent of Turkish gerrymandering ... ?????