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[Piratis]

If it is about generalisations, I really do not have the time for this game Jerry. There was a time when we were on top and the way we behaved does not bestow much to be admired, as you know. There was a time when we hid behind mother Greece and the 10 000 soldiers that came over and gave hell to the ordinary TCs, who were forced to become refugees, more than once during the period between 1963 and 1974. Practically we forced them to ask for protection from mother Turkey and this was not a mistake. It was a strategic move to make them feel Turkish rather than Cypriot because we wanted to monopolise the title. Now, some forumers, warn the TCs that they stand to lose their Cypriotness. I think survival is more important than any given title. Human nature, nothing more, nothing less.

Most TCs never accepted to be equal Cypriots. Just 80 years after the end of centuries of oppressive Ottoman rule they wanted to bring back the discrimination between Christians and Muslims so they could continue to enjoy privileges on our expense. It is with this aim that THEY started the conflict against us, massacring GCs, burning down our homes and shops and demanding our annihilation from half of our island in case we didn't surrender to their racist and undemocratic demands. It was inevitable that some GCs would retaliate in kind. Both sides had casualties during the conflict the TCs started, and the losses of TCs during each year of the conflict were on average less than the amount of people that die in road accidents each year in Cyprus. Compare that with the 1000s and 10s of thousands of Cypriots that the Turks have on several occasions butchered, the Ottoman oppression that lasted for centuries and the illegal occupation that continues for almost 4 decades, and it becomes more than clear that the suffering of the TCs during the conflict which they themselves initiated is in fact a drop in the ocean compared to the suffering the Turks caused to every single generation of Cypriots for the past 4+ centuries.

The fact dear Bananiot is that the TCs and Turks initiated the conflict because they WANTED the conflict as the conflict served their interests. They wanted and continue to want to divide the Cypriot people along ethnic lines so they can continue to have privileges and gains on our expense as they did during Ottoman rule, and what better way to have this division than to initiate and maintain a conflict?

On the other hand we had and have nothing to gain from a conflict with the TC minority. If instead of initiating a conflict and attacking our human and democratic rights the TCs instead accepted to be like every other ethnic minority in Cyprus and any other successful democratic state, then there wouldn't be any conflict and any suffering to begin with. (and Turks, with their appalling record of how they treat minorities, are in no position to give lessons to us)

So I repeat: The conflict happened and is maintained because it serves the Turkish interests. The TCs are not the victims of the conflict. They initiated the conflict knowing full well that they will have some casualties of their own, which they would then use as an excuse for the division they wanted all along.

[Piratis]

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[Viewpoint]

If it is about generalisations, I really do not have the time for this game Jerry. There was a time when we were on top and the way we behaved does not bestow much to be admired, as you know. There was a time when we hid behind mother Greece and the 10 000 soldiers that came over and gave hell to the ordinary TCs, who were forced to become refugees, more than once during the period between 1963 and 1974. Practically we forced them to ask for protection from mother Turkey and this was not a mistake. It was a strategic move to make them feel Turkish rather than Cypriot because we wanted to monopolise the title. Now, some forumers, warn the TCs that they stand to lose their Cypriotness. I think survival is more important than any given title. Human nature, nothing more, nothing less.

Most TCs never accepted to be equal Cypriots. Just 80 years after the end of centuries of oppressive Ottoman rule they wanted to bring back the discrimination between Christians and Muslims so they could continue to enjoy privileges on our expense. It is with this aim that THEY started the conflict against us, massacring GCs, burning down our homes and shops and demanding our annihilation from half of our island in case we didn't surrender to their racist and undemocratic demands. It was inevitable that some GCs would retaliate in kind. Both sides had casualties during the conflict the TCs started, and the losses of TCs during each year of the conflict were on average less than the amount of people that die in road accidents each year in Cyprus. Compare that with the 1000s and 10s of thousands of Cypriots that the Turks have on several occasions butchered, the Ottoman oppression that lasted for centuries and the illegal occupation that continues for almost 4 decades, and it becomes more than clear that the suffering of the TCs during the conflict which they themselves initiated is in fact a drop in the ocean compared to the suffering the Turks caused to every single generation of Cypriots for the past 4+ centuries.

The fact dear Bananiot is that the TCs and Turks initiated the conflict because they WANTED the conflict as the conflict served their interests. They wanted and continue to want to divide the Cypriot people along ethnic lines so they can continue to have privileges and gains on our expense as they did during Ottoman rule, and what better way to have this division than to initiate and maintain a conflict?

On the other hand we had and have nothing to gain from a conflict with the TC minority. If instead of initiating a conflict and attacking our human and democratic rights the TCs instead accepted to be like every other ethnic minority in Cyprus and any other successful democratic state, then there wouldn't be any conflict and any suffering to begin with. (and Turks, with their appalling record of how they treat minorities, are in no position to give lessons to us)

So I repeat: The conflict happened and is maintained because it serves the Turkish interests. The TCs are not the victims of the conflict. They initiated the conflict knowing full well that they will have some casualties of their own, which they would then use as an excuse for the division they wanted all along.

Ah now i get it, it was the Turks that made you fight for enosis.

[Hermes]

Some perspective is needed here. The question of who is "civilised" or not in Cyprus is determined by one's actions. Not by words on a forum. In the case of Cyprus, the actions of the Turkish army, the occupying authorities and TC citizens in the north of the island, speak for themselves.

The deliberate displacement of 200,000 people from their ancestral land, the seizure and exploitation of their properties and the importation of settlers from Anatolia are all crimes against humanity.

The continuing policies of the Turkish authorities to prevent the return of refugees and the systematic desecration of the north's cultural heritage is a stain not just upon the Turkish people but all humanity.

The very existence of the so-called "TRNC" is a stain on civilisation. That is why it is outcast and will remain unrecognised by the world community.

[Viewpoint]

Some perspective is needed here. The question of who is "civilised" or not in Cyprus is determined by one's actions. Not by words on a forum. In the case of Cyprus, the actions of the Turkish army, the occupying authorities and TC citizens in the north of the island, speak for themselves.

The deliberate displacement of 200,000 people from their ancestral land, the seizure and exploitation of their properties and the importation of settlers from Anatolia are all crimes against humanity.

The continuing policies of the Turkish authorities to prevent the return of refugees and the systematic desecration of the north's cultural heritage is a stain not just upon the Turkish people but all humanity.

The very existence of the so-called "TRNC" is a stain on civilisation. That is why it is outcast and will remain unrecognised by the world community.

How many Tcs have been displaced Hermes? and who caused their troubles and suffering?

[Piratis]

If it is about generalisations, I really do not have the time for this game Jerry. There was a time when we were on top and the way we behaved does not bestow much to be admired, as you know. There was a time when we hid behind mother Greece and the 10 000 soldiers that came over and gave hell to the ordinary TCs, who were forced to become refugees, more than once during the period between 1963 and 1974. Practically we forced them to ask for protection from mother Turkey and this was not a mistake. It was a strategic move to make them feel Turkish rather than Cypriot because we wanted to monopolise the title. Now, some forumers, warn the TCs that they stand to lose their Cypriotness. I think survival is more important than any given title. Human nature, nothing more, nothing less.

Most TCs never accepted to be equal Cypriots. Just 80 years after the end of centuries of oppressive Ottoman rule they wanted to bring back the discrimination between Christians and Muslims so they could continue to enjoy privileges on our expense. It is with this aim that THEY started the conflict against us, massacring GCs, burning down our homes and shops and demanding our annihilation from half of our island in case we didn't surrender to their racist and undemocratic demands. It was inevitable that some GCs would retaliate in kind. Both sides had casualties during the conflict the TCs started, and the losses of TCs during each year of the conflict were on average less than the amount of people that die in road accidents each year in Cyprus. Compare that with the 1000s and 10s of thousands of Cypriots that the Turks have on several occasions butchered, the Ottoman oppression that lasted for centuries and the illegal occupation that continues for almost 4 decades, and it becomes more than clear that the suffering of the TCs during the conflict which they themselves initiated is in fact a drop in the ocean compared to the suffering the Turks caused to every single generation of Cypriots for the past 4+ centuries.

The fact dear Bananiot is that the TCs and Turks initiated the conflict because they WANTED the conflict as the conflict served their interests. They wanted and continue to want to divide the Cypriot people along ethnic lines so they can continue to have privileges and gains on our expense as they did during Ottoman rule, and what better way to have this division than to initiate and maintain a conflict?

On the other hand we had and have nothing to gain from a conflict with the TC minority. If instead of initiating a conflict and attacking our human and democratic rights the TCs instead accepted to be like every other ethnic minority in Cyprus and any other successful democratic state, then there wouldn't be any conflict and any suffering to begin with. (and Turks, with their appalling record of how they treat minorities, are in no position to give lessons to us)

So I repeat: The conflict happened and is maintained because it serves the Turkish interests. The TCs are not the victims of the conflict. They initiated the conflict knowing full well that they will have some casualties of their own, which they would then use as an excuse for the division they wanted all along.

Ah now i get it, it was the Turks that made you fight for enosis.

We didn't fight you for enosis, we fought the British Colonialists. Unfortunately you thought Cyprus is still an Ottoman possetion and that you can continue to oppress our rights and determine the destiny of Cyprus, so you attacked us and started the conflict against us.

[Hermes]

How many Tcs have been displaced Hermes? and who caused their troubles and suffering?

You are right to raise the issue, VP. Many TCs were forced to leave their homes by the Turkish army in 1974. Just as many were forced into enclaves by Turkish terrorists during the 1960s. Since 1974 many TCs have been forced to emigrate as a result of the occupation. Those remaining have endured isolation, ignominy and humiliation as a result of the Turkish occupation.

In short, many TCs have suffered displacement and disenfranchisement at the hands of the Turkish army. They should be entitled to return to their homes in a free democratic Cyprus along with the hundreds of thousands of GC refugees. I am glad we are on the same side on this.

[Piratis]

Some perspective is needed here. The question of who is "civilised" or not in Cyprus is determined by one's actions. Not by words on a forum. In the case of Cyprus, the actions of the Turkish army, the occupying authorities and TC citizens in the north of the island, speak for themselves.

The deliberate displacement of 200,000 people from their ancestral land, the seizure and exploitation of their properties and the importation of settlers from Anatolia are all crimes against humanity.

The continuing policies of the Turkish authorities to prevent the return of refugees and the systematic desecration of the north's cultural heritage is a stain not just upon the Turkish people but all humanity.

The very existence of the so-called "TRNC" is a stain on civilisation. That is why it is outcast and will remain unrecognised by the world community.

How many Tcs have been displaced Hermes? and who caused their troubles and suffering?

You were demanding partition before any conflict started. You started the conflict and displacement of both communities was part of your own partition plan. Unless you can explain to me how your partition aim would materialize without such displacement?

[Jerry]

If it is about generalisations, I really do not have the time for this game Jerry. There was a time when we were on top and the way we behaved does not bestow much to be admired, as you know. There was a time when we hid behind mother Greece and the 10 000 soldiers that came over and gave hell to the ordinary TCs, who were forced to become refugees, more than once during the period between 1963 and 1974. Practically we forced them to ask for protection from mother Turkey and this was not a mistake. It was a strategic move to make them feel Turkish rather than Cypriot because we wanted to monopolise the title. Now, some forumers, warn the TCs that they stand to lose their Cypriotness. I think survival is more important than any given title. Human nature, nothing more, nothing less.

Most TCs never accepted to be equal Cypriots. Just 80 years after the end of centuries of oppressive Ottoman rule they wanted to bring back the discrimination between Christians and Muslims so they could continue to enjoy privileges on our expense. It is with this aim that THEY started the conflict against us, massacring GCs, burning down our homes and shops and demanding our annihilation from half of our island in case we didn't surrender to their racist and undemocratic demands. It was inevitable that some GCs would retaliate in kind. Both sides had casualties during the conflict the TCs started, and the losses of TCs during each year of the conflict were on average less than the amount of people that die in road accidents each year in Cyprus. Compare that with the 1000s and 10s of thousands of Cypriots that the Turks have on several occasions butchered, the Ottoman oppression that lasted for centuries and the illegal occupation that continues for almost 4 decades, and it becomes more than clear that the suffering of the TCs during the conflict which they themselves initiated is in fact a drop in the ocean compared to the suffering the Turks caused to every single generation of Cypriots for the past 4+ centuries.

The fact dear Bananiot is that the TCs and Turks initiated the conflict because they WANTED the conflict as the conflict served their interests. They wanted and continue to want to divide the Cypriot people along ethnic lines so they can continue to have privileges and gains on our expense as they did during Ottoman rule, and what better way to have this division than to initiate and maintain a conflict?

On the other hand we had and have nothing to gain from a conflict with the TC minority. If instead of initiating a conflict and attacking our human and democratic rights the TCs instead accepted to be like every other ethnic minority in Cyprus and any other successful democratic state, then there wouldn't be any conflict and any suffering to begin with. (and Turks, with their appalling record of how they treat minorities, are in no position to give lessons to us)

So I repeat: The conflict happened and is maintained because it serves the Turkish interests. The TCs are not the victims of the conflict. They initiated the conflict knowing full well that they will have some casualties of their own, which they would then use as an excuse for the division they wanted all along.

I have to agree with Piratis on this Bananiot. This "we are the poor oppressed victims" crap would have some truth if the TCs and Denktash in particular had not sought partition in the 1950s. There is much truth in the claim that they needed to become victims in order to achieve their aims. Outnumbered 4 to 1 Denktash cynically sacrificed his people with the full knowledge of the majority response. One could say that the GCs, with the help of extremists, fell right into the trap.

The Turkish Cypriots are a minority, where did this "equal communities" rubbish come from? The TCs, with the support of the metmecik, want to punch above their weight, they want to remind the GCs that they are in charge as in Ottoman days. Sadly for them they have fallen into the Turkish trap, Turkey will succeed where their fellow Cypriots have failed. It will be interesting to see how many more leave the "trnc" and move south (3000 to date) to live with civilised Europeans.



PS This was never a game, I asked you a serious question, should I assume that your friends are too ashamed to give you an honest answer?