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[GreekIslandGirl]

Wasn't Mandela incarcerated for decades because he (the "mule") wanted the ideal of equal rights for all? Incarcerated by white supremacists who stated the same arguments against this ideal as those of Bananiot!

[aikhme]

The newbie broke all the rules… both written and unwritten!

I make my own rules.

1. French flag on a Cypriot forum. Whatever next!

Silly me! You may have a point here. I will do away with the French Flag and replace it with something more Cypriot - a Spartan aikhme. I hope that is Greek and Cypriot enough for you.

2. Instant personal attack on individual!

Did not.

3. Childish banana this and banana that in message!

Where?

4. When confronted pretends to be a gentleman!

You will find out how gentlemanly I can be....

I smell a Greek nationalist here…

Really? How did you work that out?

Let’s hang him by the balls and if he squeals he’s a rat!

You're the one doing the squeeling, and for no reason.

[Hermes]

Go ahead impress me and other TCs to side with and tell Turkey to go home.

I think you ought to work it out for yourself, VP. You're a grown man. You don't need me to explain why living as an EU citizen in a free Cyprus is preferable to living under Turkish subjugation in a partitioned island. If it hasn't dawned on you yet you're not trying hard enough.

[aikhme]

Bananiot, apologies for the silly theatre from a more experienced poster who should know better than I.

Also, apologies if you took offence to the thread title. Offending you or anyone was not my intention. I just thought the title was as funny as your nom de plume, which I hope is not a dig at Cyprus and its inhabitants, because that too is offensive just like some of the junk journalism within the Cyprus Mail is when it refers to Cyprus as a Banana Plantation.

Back to the topic....

Do you realise GR that you are telling one Greek nationalist that another Greek is a nationalist? Hermes, Eroglu is no friend of mine but along with old Denktash he is the favourite friend of our nationalists because he is the reason for their existence. Without Eroglu they would be jumping off the Dover cliffs. You claim you know me but you ask ridiculous questions of the type "do you support universal principles?"

We have heard this particular argument many times when supporters of the Annan Plan call the rest Nationalists, and the non supporters call supporters "traitors". Statements like that, and yours above are not helpful at all, and when you think about it, you are just as bad as any Nationalist, possibly even worse because you do fan the flame.

What gave you the idea that I am a Greek Nationalist anyway?

And yes, politics is the art of the feasible, and anyone that impulsively goes for the desirable, will perish. We have tried this in the past and this is where it has got us. Our only hope is to forge an alliance with the moderate-progressive forces within the TC community, and try to save whatever can be saved, under the circumstances. Both sides need to compromise and even if the solution does have plenty to be desired, we could hope that after living peacefully together for some decades, and have convinced each other that we can tolerate each other, we could later on think of a better arrangement that will be closer the European acquis.

If Human Rights are infeasible in Cyprus, then I would say that a solution is infeasible at this juncture in time. And it is Turkey and its occupation that makes Human Rights infeasible, and our politicians need to do a better job of highlighting that.

A solution with compromised Human Rights and an Ethnocentric political makeup is what started everything back in 1963, and potentially it can do so again. Also, any form of discrimination will only bolster ethnocentric resentment in the future, and that is something the nationalists on both sides will feed on.

If we do not do this we will face oblivion, every day that passes sees the consolidation of the Turkish presence in Cyprus and the number of settlers increases by the day. We need solution like fresh air, even if some aspects of it will not be palatable. This is the real patriotic stance, everything else is epea pteroenta (of which we had plenty from the Greek nationalists) and have led to catastrophy for Cyprus.

Oblivion was averted in 2004.

[Get Real!]

NB. That was really funny GR! You are becoming an expert in cursing your newbie selves

Please elaborate...

[Get Real!]

I smell a Greek nationalist here…

Really? How did you work that out?

Then where did you get the "aikhme" from? Sarkozy's bum?

[Viewpoint]

Hermes you have yet to take the lead and try to clarify why we should choose the EU and yourselves over Turkey? The first issue would be security how will you use the EU aquis to provide for the security between the two main communities in Cyprus?

You GCs sound like you have read the "how to do it text book" but have no real practical solutions that would clinch the deal.

Go ahead impress me and other TCs to side with and tell Turkey to go home.

Cyprus is NOT a community and that’s why all talk trying to treat it as such fails.

You want to waste another 5 years talking communities? Go ahead, but hardly anyone is listening any more.

The theory has all but evaporated…

The text book approach is all well and good but the simple man in street wants clear precise explanations as how uniting with GCs (south Cyprus) will make their lives any better than it is today, because if they felt it was worth it they would surely push for unification. But all we hear is a lot of theory and no real concrete details and no one can provide this, they talk like politicians no real answers just a lot of hot air. If my future is to handed over to GCs leaders who have never expressed or shown their concern for TCs and have no real explanations to how my future will improve then you will never convince any TCs let alone get their trust or support.

[Pyrpolizer]

you talk as if the Kibrislis have any will of their own left.

[bill cobbett]

you talk as if the Kibrislis have any will of their own left.

Are there ant Kibrislis left other than VP who think the way VP does?...

... Perhaps we should think about preserving VP as the "Last of the Denktoshists" ... What's that? Who said "pickled in vinegar"?... you naughty lot!

[Pyrpolizer]

That's the reason the Anan Plan wanted the solution to become Primary Aquis (how, only God knows) so that nobody could challenge it at EU courts

Pyro,

Perhaps because it would have happened by a popular vote by majority Cypriots themselves before the RoC became a member. On the other hand, the EU could have completely refused to enter the RoC into the EU by having such a Racist policies that did not comply with her own EU acquis, which would have suited Turkey just fine, because not only partition would have taken place with the AP, but Turkey as a guarantor power would have had full control over Cyprus, and as luck would have it, Cyprus would have been beyond the reach of the EU for any help, since Cypriots themselves had voted through the AP to be in that position..

Exactly Kikapu.
That very page in the Anan Plan calling for the 2 co-Presidents to send a letter to the Commissioner so that the Anan Plan would become Primary Aquis (!!!!!) was designed so that in the remote event that the Anan Plan would be accepted, Cyprus would be knocked out of the EU.
Primary Aquis is a very serious thing, it is a treaty and it has to pass through the parliaments of all member states and get a yes vote. We already witnessed how difficult that is from the last treaty of Lisbon... The Anan Plan would not get a yes vote not from even one of those parliaments.
Yet we still have Bananiot here, telling us that since there is nothing else on the horizon, we should have gone back to the Anan Plan.