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[B25]

The headlines in the offer from Piratis comes across as 18% Territory, all human rights respected, autonomy in a northern zone for internal matters, central federal government elected by majority popular vote with an effective say for all groups, with guarantees from bodies such as EU, UN and Nato (would add OSCE to that list) and up to 50,000 settlers stay...

(oooh hope have got that summary right????)

... Seems Very Fair and Very Equitable, an offer no one can argue with surely??? ... VP, Bir et al don't you think?? Bananiot and Halil .... Happy with that ????

If we are to go down to 18% then why accept this offer? an independent state would be more appropriate and healthy.

And there you have it ladies and gentlemen, straight from the horses mouth. The partitionist in action. She has just confirmed what we have been saying all long. A turk at work.

[Kikapu]

The arguments in this thread are largely pointless. By trying to argue the details of a perceived solution we jjust end up getting bogged down. What is relevant here is the EU acquis which does not allow for much of what the Turks want. Any derogations will be temporary. The solution will not become primary law because this would require re-negotiation and ratification of of EU treaties. This will not happen and in any case, things that go against the basic founding principles of the EU cannot be negotiated away.

It really requires a leap of faith to look beyond the nitty gritty and to see the bigger picture. It needs politicians with a long term vision and the balls to go for it. This is sadly lacking of our currdnt crop of politicians. The future in the EU will lead to greater integration and as such the arguments are largelly futile.

A solution is badly needed soon within the confines of the EU so that we have an element of control of events occurring in Cyprus. The status quo serves nothing but long term Turkish interests in Cyprus.

So how do we agree a settlement when the flexibility cannot be achieved?

It is easy. You don't ask for the impossible that can't be delivered. You ask for the norms as the case is with the rest of the EU. Since 2004, you are no longer dealing with just the GCs. You are dealing with the EU.!

What are we asking for that is so impossible?

Annan Plan 2004!

BBF with political equality of the 2 states is not the impossible.

But I gave you "Kikapu's "BBF" Power Sharing Plan" and you said "NO"!

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[Kikapu]

The headlines in the offer from Piratis comes across as 18% Territory, all human rights respected, autonomy in a northern zone for internal matters, central federal government elected by majority popular vote with an effective say for all groups, with guarantees from bodies such as EU, UN and Nato (would add OSCE to that list) and up to 50,000 settlers stay...

(oooh hope have got that summary right????)

... Seems Very Fair and Very Equitable, an offer no one can argue with surely??? ... VP, Bir et al don't you think?? Bananiot and Halil .... Happy with that ????

If we are to go down to 18% then why accept this offer?

I thought you were after security and control of your own destiny and away from any Greek being spoken around your kids.

Well, at least when they are not boinking with the GCs that is.

an independent state would be more appropriate and healthy.

Because that too is undeliverable to you by anyone, therefore it cannot happen.

[bill cobbett]

The headlines in the offer from Piratis comes across as 18% Territory, all human rights respected, autonomy in a northern zone for internal matters, central federal government elected by majority popular vote with an effective say for all groups, with guarantees from bodies such as EU, UN and Nato (would add OSCE to that list) and up to 50,000 settlers stay...

(oooh hope have got that summary right????)

... Seems Very Fair and Very Equitable, an offer no one can argue with surely??? ... VP, Bir et al don't you think?? Bananiot and Halil .... Happy with that ????

If we are to go down to 18% then why accept this offer? an independent state would be more appropriate and healthy.

And there you have it ladies and gentlemen, straight from the horses mouth. The partitionist in action. She has just confirmed what we have been saying all long. A turk at work.

Yes, didn't expect VP to rush to be first in the queue to give us a thumbs up to a Very Fair Offer from P.

Wonder what Bir and Halil will say ???? Come along boys don't you be hiding your zivania under a bush now, you hear?

Oh and Bananiot will you also confirm that as a result of the Very Equitable Offer you will in future be referring to our P as a former nationalist or a reformed nationalist even ????

(Gosh ... this is so exciting, can't wait to hear that Bir and Halil accept the offer and that Cyprob is settled)

[Viewpoint]

18% Noway.

[boulio]

why not 18% VP?

WHAT Would you be looking for?

[humanist]

all of it lol, coz the Turks think they are above everyone else. But at the end of the day they are getting nothing coz their so called motherland wants the status quo so she can dominate them and call the shots in the mediteranian

[B25]

18% Noway.

Which totally supports Piratis thesis that you want, no demand, unfair gains at our loss. You have been owned again VP. At this rate, you'd do well in a whore house.

You have now shown you true colours and I would like to see what your, equally demanding mates, Birkturk and banana oil have to say.

We need an new movie, 'Confessions of a Partitionist', staring VP, Birkturk and Banana oil.

[Bananiot]

Piratis argument is based on false logic.

What we have now is bad. As time passes a solution might become harder to achieve with negotiations but our situation will not become any worst than it already is. It is the TCs who have to worry about being assimilated by mainland Turks, not us.

First, it is not a matter of the TCs now but rather a matter of Turkey. TCs will make little difference, even if the vast majority of them want Turkey out. Secondly, our situation has been turning to the worse ever since 1974 and it will keep turning to the worse. Without solution taiwanisation is certain at first which will soon be followed by recognition by Islamic countries in the beginning. The north will be flooded with more settlers (a Turk goes a Turk comes - remember this one?) and suddenly we would have to defend a 200 km border with Turkey. Our economy will be strangled because in the globalised environment, political security is a must for much needed foreign investors.

Thus, Piratis is building his hopes on sand. His arguments are based on false assumptions and are totally insignificant. There can be only one starting point for all of us who fear that without solution Cyprus is doomed. POLITICAL EQUALITY OF THE TWO COMMUNITIES as an integral part of any agreed solution. This is the only way to save Cyprus and while I am at it, may I also remind some people in here that partition is not just the aspiration of Turkish nationalism but it is also the dream for Greek nationalism who would rather see Cyprus go down the drain than share power with the TCs. Remember the second best solution of Papadopoulos? Can you guess what the first choice was (is)?

[B25]

Piratis argument is based on false logic.

What we have now is bad. As time passes a solution might become harder to achieve with negotiations but our situation will not become any worst than it already is. It is the TCs who have to worry about being assimilated by mainland Turks, not us.

First, it is not a matter of the TCs now but rather a matter of Turkey. TCs will make little difference, even if the vast majority of them want Turkey out. Secondly, our situation has been turning to the worse ever since 1974 and it will keep turning to the worse. Without solution taiwanisation is certain at first which will soon be followed by recognition by Islamic countries in the beginning. The north will be flooded with more settlers (a Turk goes a Turk comes - remember this one?) and suddenly we would have to defend a 200 km border with Turkey. Our economy will be strangled because in the globalised environment, political security is a must for much needed foreign investors.

Thus, Piratis is building his hopes on sand. His arguments are based on false assumptions and are totally insignificant. There can be only one starting point for all of us who fear that without solution Cyprus is doomed. POLITICAL EQUALITY OF THE TWO COMMUNITIES as an integral part of any agreed solution. This is the only way to save Cyprus and while I am at it, may I also remind some people in here that partition is not just the aspiration of Turkish nationalism but it is also the dream for Greek nationalism who would rather see Cyprus go down the drain than share power with the TCs. Remember the second best solution of Papadopoulos? Can you guess what the first choice was (is)?

Share, sure, no problem, they can have an 18% share. If you are advocating a 50:50 share, you are more stupid that I had you for. This is the argument along and the threats they and you keep throwing at us.

Well, I for one, am not willing to take that chance, because it is your ideas built on sand not Piratis or anyone elses.
You heard it from your own VP what he wants partition and a seperate turkish state. Fat chance.
You can start your scaremongering all you like, but you are just farting like turkey has been recently.

When they grow up and want to be part of a civilised society then we can discuss terms until then, there is nothing else really to be discussed. This subject, the history the why and where fores have been done to death. What remains is the common denominator, the turks don't want a fair share, they want unfair everything and you are willing to bend over and give it to them. Well, I have news, I will keep on making it my business to prevent such a catastrophy befalling this tiny island just so a few thousand TCs can play happy families with turkey.

It's a pity we don't have a few more like Piratis, hermes, Kimon, aikehm, GIG and a few others, we have allowed them to get away with murder literally, and now they think they are in a position to make demands. Turk in turk out, bring it on.