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[B25]

Bir they had to change that law the Eu whipped them into shape.

Total crap, show us the link or STFU.

Turks multiply alright just like bacteria in a sewer.

What you gonna do when one of your kids marrys a GC, hell you'll have to commit suicide.

Perish the thought B25. Wash your mouth out with soap.

yeah, i thought so, you just like to throw false statements every now and then. Basically just plain lies, whats new for a turk.

[-mikkie2-]

The arguments in this thread are largely pointless. By trying to argue the details of a perceived solution we jjust end up getting bogged down. What is relevant here is the EU acquis which does not allow for much of what the Turks want. Any derogations will be temporary. The solution will not become primary law because this would require re-negotiation and ratification of of EU treaties. This will not happen and in any case, things that go against the basic founding principles of the EU cannot be negotiated away.

It really requires a leap of faith to look beyond the nitty gritty and to see the bigger picture. It needs politicians with a long term vision and the balls to go for it. This is sadly lacking of our currdnt crop of politicians. The future in the EU will lead to greater integration and as such the arguments are largelly futile.

A solution is badly needed soon within the confines of the EU so that we have an element of control of events occurring in Cyprus. The status quo serves nothing but long term Turkish interests in Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

The arguments in this thread are largely pointless. By trying to argue the details of a perceived solution we jjust end up getting bogged down. What is relevant here is the EU acquis which does not allow for much of what the Turks want. Any derogations will be temporary. The solution will not become primary law because this would require re-negotiation and ratification of of EU treaties. This will not happen and in any case, things that go against the basic founding principles of the EU cannot be negotiated away.

It really requires a leap of faith to look beyond the nitty gritty and to see the bigger picture. It needs politicians with a long term vision and the balls to go for it. This is sadly lacking of our currdnt crop of politicians. The future in the EU will lead to greater integration and as such the arguments are largelly futile.

A solution is badly needed soon within the confines of the EU so that we have an element of control of events occurring in Cyprus. The status quo serves nothing but long term Turkish interests in Cyprus.

So how do we agree a settlement when the flexibility cannot be achieved?

[Kikapu]

Clearly you have not learned anything and do not know the Turks....they are on your doorstep and making in roads into your society as we speak...you can think what you like but in 20 years time we will be talking about Turk GC mixed marriages. What will you do when you have a Turk for a neighbor and all his family come from Turkey to visit and even stay, you are being very narrow minded as Turks have a knack of multiplying and im not talking about through marriage.

So what is the whole purpose of this discussion anyway, that the GCs should accept a AP type of a settlement, so that what you are "warning" wouldn't happen?

You can't be serious.

I would take you more seriously if you told us that your children are now boinking with the GCs in the south and in your home, in the north. If they are not, then you are not being at all credible.

By the way, how are the Turks doing pollinating the Greeks with their genes in any and all of the Greek islands, as well as the mainland Greece, which some islands are much closer to Turkey than Cyprus is.?

Had the AP passed in 2004, you would have had much better possibility of your "warning" becoming a minute reality, but thanks to your "warnings", the GCs are not going to even allow for that remote possibility, in which case, another AP will not see the light of day, so I'm sure the GCs are thanking you for saving them in the future.

Looks like you have shot yourself in the mouth again!

[Kikapu]

The arguments in this thread are largely pointless. By trying to argue the details of a perceived solution we jjust end up getting bogged down. What is relevant here is the EU acquis which does not allow for much of what the Turks want. Any derogations will be temporary. The solution will not become primary law because this would require re-negotiation and ratification of of EU treaties. This will not happen and in any case, things that go against the basic founding principles of the EU cannot be negotiated away.

It really requires a leap of faith to look beyond the nitty gritty and to see the bigger picture. It needs politicians with a long term vision and the balls to go for it. This is sadly lacking of our currdnt crop of politicians. The future in the EU will lead to greater integration and as such the arguments are largelly futile.

A solution is badly needed soon within the confines of the EU so that we have an element of control of events occurring in Cyprus. The status quo serves nothing but long term Turkish interests in Cyprus.

So how do we agree a settlement when the flexibility cannot be achieved?

It is easy. You don't ask for the impossible that can't be delivered. You ask for the norms as the case is with the rest of the EU. Since 2004, you are no longer dealing with just the GCs. You are dealing with the EU.!

[Piratis]

Clearly you have not learned anything and do not know the Turks....they are on your doorstep and making in roads into your society as we speak...you can think what you like but in 20 years time we will be talking about Turk GC mixed marriages. What will you do when you have a Turk for a neighbor and all his family come from Turkey to visit and even stay, you are being very narrow minded as Turks have a knack of multiplying and im not talking about through marriage.

So what is the whole purpose of this discussion anyway, that the GCs should accept a AP type of a settlement, so that what you are "warning" wouldn't happen?

You can't be serious.

I would take you more seriously if you told us that your children are now boinking with the GCs in the south and in your home, in the north. If they are not, then you are not being at all credible.

By the way, how are the Turks doing pollinating the Greeks with their genes in any and all of the Greek islands, as well as the mainland Greece, which some islands are much closer to Turkey than Cyprus is.?

Had the AP passed in 2004, you would have had much better possibility of your "warning" becoming a minute reality, but thanks to your "warnings", the GCs are not going to even allow for that remote possibility, in which case, another AP will not see the light of day, so I'm sure the GCs are thanking you for saving them in the future.

Looks like you have shot yourself in the mouth again!

Unfortunately Bir and VP seem to lack even common sense. First it was the threat about industrial revolution polluting our air, and now this!

How about some common sense Bir and VP?

What we have now is bad. As time passes a solution might become harder to achieve with negotiations but our situation will not become any worst than it already is. It is the TCs who have to worry about being assimilated by mainland Turks, not us.

In order for us to agree for a solution we will need something which at the very least offers something better than what we have now, and offers better prospects than those we have now.

The so called "solution" that VP,Bir and Bananiot support is worst than what we have now and offers worst prospects for our future than the ones we have now. Therefore we must be stupid to accept such thing, and most of us are not stupid.

If the TCs want a solution then they should drop their outrageous demands to a level that will be acceptable. For example they can keep part of Cyprus under federal TC administration (something which they do not have the right for, but it will be our compromise), but that part of Cyprus should be about 18%. When it comes to Cyprus as a whole the central government should be elected democratically by the Cypriot people as a whole and there can be some minimum required TC participation (e.g. certain numbers of ministers being TC). Any guarantees should come from international organizations, e.g. UN, EU and NATO, while the number of Settlers that will stay should not be over 50.000 total. The human rights of all Cypriots should be respected.

With what I write above the TCs would gain more than any other minority while this solution would be better for GCs than what we have now so we would accept it.

If the TCs want more than this then a solution is not currently possible because as I already said there is no chance in a billion that we will accept a "solution" which will be worst than the problem.

[Viewpoint]

The arguments in this thread are largely pointless. By trying to argue the details of a perceived solution we jjust end up getting bogged down. What is relevant here is the EU acquis which does not allow for much of what the Turks want. Any derogations will be temporary. The solution will not become primary law because this would require re-negotiation and ratification of of EU treaties. This will not happen and in any case, things that go against the basic founding principles of the EU cannot be negotiated away.

It really requires a leap of faith to look beyond the nitty gritty and to see the bigger picture. It needs politicians with a long term vision and the balls to go for it. This is sadly lacking of our currdnt crop of politicians. The future in the EU will lead to greater integration and as such the arguments are largelly futile.

A solution is badly needed soon within the confines of the EU so that we have an element of control of events occurring in Cyprus. The status quo serves nothing but long term Turkish interests in Cyprus.

So how do we agree a settlement when the flexibility cannot be achieved?

It is easy. You don't ask for the impossible that can't be delivered. You ask for the norms as the case is with the rest of the EU. Since 2004, you are no longer dealing with just the GCs. You are dealing with the EU.!

What are we asking for that is so impossible? BBF with political equality of the 2 states is not the impossible.

[Viewpoint]

Clearly you have not learned anything and do not know the Turks....they are on your doorstep and making in roads into your society as we speak...you can think what you like but in 20 years time we will be talking about Turk GC mixed marriages. What will you do when you have a Turk for a neighbor and all his family come from Turkey to visit and even stay, you are being very narrow minded as Turks have a knack of multiplying and im not talking about through marriage.

So what is the whole purpose of this discussion anyway, that the GCs should accept a AP type of a settlement, so that what you are "warning" wouldn't happen?

You can't be serious.

I would take you more seriously if you told us that your children are now boinking with the GCs in the south and in your home, in the north. If they are not, then you are not being at all credible.

By the way, how are the Turks doing pollinating the Greeks with their genes in any and all of the Greek islands, as well as the mainland Greece, which some islands are much closer to Turkey than Cyprus is.?

Had the AP passed in 2004, you would have had much better possibility of your "warning" becoming a minute reality, but thanks to your "warnings", the GCs are not going to even allow for that remote possibility, in which case, another AP will not see the light of day, so I'm sure the GCs are thanking you for saving them in the future.

Looks like you have shot yourself in the mouth again!

Unfortunately Bir and VP seem to lack even common sense. First it was the threat about industrial revolution polluting our air, and now this!

How about some common sense Bir and VP?

What we have now is bad. As time passes a solution might become harder to achieve with negotiations but our situation will not become any worst than it already is. It is the TCs who have to worry about being assimilated by mainland Turks, not us.

In order for us to agree for a solution we will need something which at the very least offers something better than what we have now, and offers better prospects than those we have now.

The so called "solution" that VP,Bir and Bananiot support is worst than what we have now and offers worst prospects for our future than the ones we have now. Therefore we must be stupid to accept such thing, and most of us are not stupid.

If the TCs want a solution then they should drop their outrageous demands to a level that will be acceptable. For example they can keep part of Cyprus under federal TC administration (something which they do not have the right for, but it will be our compromise), but that part of Cyprus should be about 18%. When it comes to Cyprus as a whole the central government should be elected democratically by the Cypriot people as a whole and there can be some minimum required TC participation (e.g. certain numbers of ministers being TC). Any guarantees should come from international organizations, e.g. UN, EU and NATO, while the number of Settlers that will stay should not be over 50.000 total. The human rights of all Cypriots should be respected.

With what I write above the TCs would gain more than any other minority while this solution would be better for GCs than what we have now so we would accept it.

If the TCs want more than this then a solution is not currently possible because as I already said there is no chance in a billion that we will accept a "solution" which will be worst than the problem.

The same goes for us Piratis if a deal is worse than what we have today we are not interested....as for assimilation thank you for your interest its going real well...another 10-20 years you will not be able to differentiate between old and new generation TCs. If we are to go down to 18% then a separate state would be a better option for everyone, we can finally all go our separate ways without a Cyprus problem?

[bill cobbett]

The headlines in the offer from Piratis comes across as 18% Territory, all human rights respected, autonomy in a northern zone for internal matters, central federal government elected by majority popular vote with an effective say for all groups, with guarantees from bodies such as EU, UN and Nato (would add OSCE to that list) and up to 50,000 settlers stay...

(oooh hope have got that summary right????)

... Seems Very Fair and Very Equitable, an offer no one can argue with surely??? ... VP, Bir et al don't you think?? Bananiot and Halil .... Happy with that ????

[Viewpoint]

The headlines in the offer from Piratis comes across as 18% Territory, all human rights respected, autonomy in a northern zone for internal matters, central federal government elected by majority popular vote with an effective say for all groups, with guarantees from bodies such as EU, UN and Nato (would add OSCE to that list) and up to 50,000 settlers stay...

(oooh hope have got that summary right????)

... Seems Very Fair and Very Equitable, an offer no one can argue with surely??? ... VP, Bir et al don't you think?? Bananiot and Halil .... Happy with that ????

If we are to go down to 18% then why accept this offer? an independent state would be more appropriate and healthy.