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[Bananiot]

You are not being serious or indeed you have not understood a thing Birkibrisli and I have been saying. In a nutshell, only solution, albeit a compromise one, will save us (GC and TC) from total oblivion.

[Hermes]

You are not being serious or indeed you have not understood a thing Birkibrisli and I have been saying. In a nutshell, only solution, albeit a compromise one, will save us (GC and TC) from total oblivion.

I have understood perfectly what you have been saying. There is no mystery to it. Birkibrisli explained your position in very clear terms. Here is his simple explanation of the Turkish "compromise solution" in case you missed it:

You agree to a solution that will satisfy Turkey or you wait till Turkey is pleased to satisfy you, sometime in the next 50 years...

I am not making this up. It's a direct quote. Now what is so hard about understanding this? Even a child could understand it. Now please don't do me the discourtesy ever again of claiming that I don't understand what you are saying. I understand what you are saying only too well. That is why I regard your position as utterly preposterous.

[Bananiot]

You understood nothing ... in 2004 we voted for the Turkish army to stay in Cyprus, for zero refugees to return, for zero land to be returned. Just because the nationalists do not want to share this island with the TCs. Bir was trying to tell you that now there is a good chance we will lose every thing. WE, as in GCs and TCs. All you can offer is "stay as we are" but nothing stays as it is. Read the obscure Heraclitus, he knew a thing or two it seems.

[Kikapu]

You understood nothing ... in 2004 we voted for the Turkish army to stay in Cyprus, for zero refugees to return, for zero land to be returned. Just because the nationalists do not want to share this island with the TCs. Bir was trying to tell you that now there is a good chance we will lose every thing. WE, as in GCs and TCs. All you can offer is "stay as we are" but nothing stays as it is. Read the obscure Heraclitus, he knew a thing or two it seems.

Bananiot,

In 2004, Turkey gave the GCs no other choice but to vote "NO" on the AP. Had the GCs also voted "YES" to the AP, The TCs and the GCs would have already lost everything to Turkey. I thought we went over this few times already! As I've said already. I think you are too trusting in believing in what your "enemy" says. Look at Turkey's actions since 1974 and not listen to her words is my advice, with respect to you, of course.

[BirKibrisli]

Bananiot...Is there something in Cyprus water that makes the drinkers totally blind,unreasonable, and obstinate?? Why is it that you and I understand the dangers of keeping the status quo much longer,but Hermes and Co. believe time will stand stood for them,and they can wait for someone else to come to their help to get Turkey out ???

Why can't they see that everyone (America,Israel,France,Russia,Greece etc) are only looking after their own interests,just like Turkey is doing...It is not in their interest to solve our little problem,if it was it would've been solved years ago...

Some time ago Erdogan let something slip during one of his tirades...He said,"If the USA tells us to leave Cyprus tomorrow we have no option but to follow that instruction like sheep"...There you have it...America does not want Turkey out of Cyprus. She has a special role for Turkey to fulfil in the region,and part of that role is to keep Cyprus in check...If these people thought seriously about the implications of keeping the Turkish army and settlers in Cyprus,they would b begging to be allowed to agree to an Annan plan like solution...But as you know,that is now history...There is no going back...Next solution on offer will be much worse for the GCs,with hardly any land concessions,or troop or settler number reductions...That too would be rejected and the inevitable march of our (Cypriots) extinction will continue...We are our own worse enemy,and we have proved this time and time again in the past,and we are proving it now...If I believed in a personal God I'd say we are all cursed for some terrible sins our ancestors have committed...We have turned a beautiful,heavenly homeland into the sorry mess it is now,in a relatively short time...We are like the frog thrown in cold water and put to boil slowly...By the time we realise the danger it might be too late to do anything about it...

[B25]

You understood nothing ... in 2004 we voted for the Turkish army to stay in Cyprus, for zero refugees to return, for zero land to be returned. Just because the nationalists do not want to share this island with the TCs. Bir was trying to tell you that now there is a good chance we will lose every thing. WE, as in GCs and TCs. All you can offer is "stay as we are" but nothing stays as it is. Read the obscure Heraclitus, he knew a thing or two it seems.

Why do you keep repeating this rubbish, turkish propoganda. It is nothing of the sort. The AP was a disaster for the RoC in the making, shame to disappoint you and your bumchums.

You disrespect the majrity of the GC nation to satisfy your warped ideas about our future. You beleive everything turkey tells you when her track record says otherwise. Sir you are an idiot of the first order. For a supposedly intelligent person, you continue to spout shit.

You should be ashamed of yourself, infact you should commit hara kiri and leave us to deal with this terrorist state. Defeatists and traitors we do not want nor need.
oh, and take your pet poodle Birkturk with you. Turkey is a wonderful place I hear.

[Hermes]

You understood nothing ... in 2004 we voted for the Turkish army to stay in Cyprus, for zero refugees to return, for zero land to be returned. Just because the nationalists do not want to share this island with the TCs. Bir was trying to tell you that now there is a good chance we will lose every thing. WE, as in GCs and TCs. All you can offer is "stay as we are" but nothing stays as it is. Read the obscure Heraclitus, he knew a thing or two it seems.

Your arrogance is beyond belief. People knew perfectly well what they were voting against in 2004 and why. The vote was overwhelming. It wasn't just nationalists who voted against it! And if the vote was repeated it would still get defeated today! People voted against the Annan Plan because it was against the fundamental principles on which international law and the European Union are founded.

I don't have time to list the numerous deficiencies of the Annan Plan but some are worth restating. Under the Annan Plan, serious restrictions of political and civil rights, of freedom of residence, breaches of the prohibition of racial discrimination and severe violations of property rights and of the right to respect of one’s home would be maintained and even perpetuated for all Cypriot citizens during several decades and in certain cases permanently. This is before we even get to such questions as guarantees, intervention rights, settlers and restrictions of sovereignty, which severely challenge notions of due process and the rule of law.

In short, the Annan Plan was unprincipled, undemocratic and unworkable. It was a disastrous attempt to bypass the rights of Greek and Turkish Cypriots and legitimise the Turkish occupation. GCs in particular would literally have lost everything.

Now we are in a different reality. Since joining the EU, the terms for a solution are much better for all Cypriots and not at all to Turkey's liking. Hence the current stalemate. Any solution must respect the sovereignty and independence of Cyprus; and ensure the prohibition of aggression and respect for human rights, liberty, democracy and the rule of law. It is also essential to arrive at a solution that fully respects the need for the reconciliation of, and cooperation between, the communities.

Cypriots have lost nothing since 2004. The prospects for a solution cannot be imposed on us by Turkey. In fact, a solution is already there. It is embedded in international law and the EU. Cypriots will accept nothing less.

There is nothing obscure about Heraclitus. He said that everything changes. Nothing stays the same. He was right. The occupation is not an immutable fact. It too will pass. It too is subject to change. There was no reason to accept a bad settlement, any settlement in 2004. There is even less reason to do so now.

[Get Real!]

You understood nothing ... in 2004 we voted for the Turkish army to stay in Cyprus,

Correction... we voted for the Turkish army to remain ILLEGAL in Cyprus whereas you voted to legalize them!

[Piratis]

You understood nothing ... in 2004 we voted for the Turkish army to stay in Cyprus,

Correction... we voted for the Turkish army to remain ILLEGAL in Cyprus whereas you voted to legalize them!

He also voted to legalize the Turkification of the north part of Cyprus and 10s of thousands of Settlers, and give to an 18% minority the 50% of power and therefore ending democracy in Cyprus.

With the Annan plan we would lose a ton more than they few things that we would theoretically "gain" (if we can call "gain" being returned a small part of what belongs to us).

But even for those small "gains" there was no guarantee that Turkey would actually offer them to us. For example today Turkey illegally occupies about 37% of Cyprus, and there are about 150.000 Settlers. The Annan plan would legalize the occupation of 29%+ of the land they occupy and it would legalize 10s of thousands of their Settlers. But that doesn't mean that they would stop the illegalities. If today they can illegally occupy 37% of our land what would stop them to illegally occupy 7% of our land after the so called "solution"? The same with Settlers, if today they can have 150.000 illegal Settlers, what can stop them to keeping the illegal ones in Cyprus? Who would force them out? Bananiot?

And while today as a Republic of Cyprus we have the means to exercise some pressure and cause some consequences to Turkey for her illegalities, after the Annan plan Turkey would not only legalize most of her crimes, but she would also be able to commit even more without worrying that we would be able to cause any problems to her since we would have been downgraded to a mere community who wouldn't be able to take any decision without the agreement of the Turkish puppets. In terms of International abilities we would be downgraded to the status of the Kurds and we would have no power to cause to Turkey any consequences for her illegalities.

To be a GC and accept the Annan plan you have to either be a fool, or trust Turkey. Actually if you trust Turkey it means you are a fool.

I repeat, the best we can do under the current balance of power is to maintain our freedom in the 2/3rds of the island. If we agree to any change now it will be even worst for us than what we currently have. The Cyprus problem can be solved only under a different balance of power.

[Bananiot]

To be a GC and accept the Annan plan you have to either be a fool, or trust Turkey. Actually if you trust Turkey it means you are a fool.

The above says it all. First he thinks that 100 000 GCs who voted for solution are fools and secondly, and perhaps most important, he claims that we are fools to trust Turkey and therefore we should have nothing to do with this country. Then, he expects the balance of power to change (I presume in our favour) in order to solve the issue the way we want (always in the name of morality and justice of course). In the meantime, he advises us to stay as we are (here is where Heraclitus the obscure comes in) but, like Hermes, he does not realise that things have been changing to our detriment since 1974 and there is no indication that this trend will reverse. Serious politicians from all parties understand this very well (Stylianides of DISI springs to mind) but when the patriotic drums of those that brought us this disaster in the first place (always in the name of patriotism) beat their tune day and night (seconded by the Archbishop, who is now on the look for a presidential candidate for 2013), there is no room for rationality, and this spells more misery for us.

But, fools, do not worry. We can always lay the blame on the foreigners, whose only concern is to destroy Cyprus, for they have nothing more serious to do.