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[Hermes]

You are so wrong and you do not know Birs viewpoint whatsoever...you really need to read properly and understand what people are saying to you.

I understand perfectly well what you are saying. Don't insult my intelligence.

[Viewpoint]

You are so wrong and you do not know Birs viewpoint whatsoever...you really need to read properly and understand what people are saying to you.

I understand perfectly well what you are saying. Don't insult my intelligence.

Do TCs on this forum inculding Bir support the TA staying indefinitely even after a solution? your intelligence should be insulted as you do not understand what you read you place your own warped spin on it.

[Hermes]

Do TCs on this forum inculding Bir support the TA staying indefinitely even after a solution? your intelligence should be insulted as you do not understand what you read you place your own warped spin on it.

Where did I claim that? I chose my words very carefully.

[Viewpoint]

Do TCs on this forum inculding Bir support the TA staying indefinitely even after a solution? your intelligence should be insulted as you do not understand what you read you place your own warped spin on it.

Where did I claim that? I chose my words very carefully.

Its what you know not what you said, you dont have an answer do you?

[Hermes]

Its what you know not what you said, you dont have an answer do you?

You are so lazy at times, VP. You need things spelling out for you. The current proposals of the Turkish side provide for the dissolution of the Republic of Cyprus, the establishment of two equal state entities, a loose confederation and the maintaining of Turkey’s strategic control of Cyprus through guarantees. Under those conditions the Turkish army will apparently withdraw.

In addition, Turkey wants a settlement which will become EU Primary Law, to allow permanent derogations from the acquis communautaire. In other words, permanent violations of human rights and fundamental freedoms. So the Turkish army leaves, but on condition it leaves behind a divided island, with a neutered sovereignty and its citizens with a diminished status and loss of their EU rights and freedoms.

What on earth makes you think the GCs will accept such a "solution"? You must be mad if you think the GCs will consent to a legal dismemberment of the RoC and permanently assign themselves the status of second-class citizens on their own island. No thanks. We'll keep what we have. Freedom in the south and legal sovereignty over the north. Until such time as Turkey comes to its senses. Now why do you have a problem with that?

[Viewpoint]

Its what you know not what you said, you dont have an answer do you?

You are so lazy at times, VP. You need things spelling out for you. The current proposals of the Turkish side provide for the dissolution of the Republic of Cyprus, the establishment of two equal state entities, a loose confederation and the maintaining of Turkey’s strategic control of Cyprus through guarantees. Under those conditions the Turkish army will apparently withdraw.

In addition, Turkey wants a settlement which will become EU Primary Law, to allow permanent derogations from the acquis communautaire. In other words, permanent violations of human rights and fundamental freedoms. So the Turkish army leaves, but on condition it leaves behind a divided island, with a neutered sovereignty and its citizens with a diminished status and loss of their EU rights and freedoms.

What on earth makes you think the GCs will accept such a "solution"? You must be mad if you think the GCs will consent to a legal dismemberment of the RoC and permanently assign themselves the status of second-class citizens on their own island. No thanks. We'll keep what we have. Freedom in the south and legal sovereignty over the north. Until such time as Turkey comes to its senses. Now why do you have a problem with that?

Again you are not answering the question what is Birs viewpoint, have you even bothered to ask whats it is? before you persume things dont you think you should get clarification of our opinions? he may share your concerns or express why Turkeys guarantees are important to us in a solution. You need to take time and understand what TCs are actually saying and what they stand for not just spout out your own beliefs, this really makes you look foolish.

[Hermes]

Again you are not answering the question what is Birs viewpoint, have you even bothered to ask whats it is? before you persume things dont you think you should get clarification of our opinions? he may share your concerns or express why Turkeys guarantees are important to us in a solution. You need to take time and understand what TCs are actually saying and what they stand for not just spout out your own beliefs, this really makes you look foolish.

Bir can speak for himself. I am explaining to you, with great patience, why the large majority of GCs are not interested in a solution that would allow a system of guarantees, permanent derogations, or a confederation as the price of Turkish army withdrawal. If Bir believes that is a price we are prepared to accept for a "solution" then he is mistaken. It is not a question of whether I have misread his views. I am explaining to you why the talks have reached stalemate and why most GCs are resigned to the status quo as a better option than the proposals on offer.

[Viewpoint]

I will let Bir respond im certain he will do a far better job but I was trying to point out was that your posts accuse people of supporting whats transpiring from the negotiations which are supposed to be secret as if they are each individuals viewpoint, they may not agree with whats being proposed by our leaders, you should take a step back and try to understand whether we support it or not and why. Your preconceived ideas about our mindset, fears and concerns is not only ignorant but very insulting, maybe that is your ultimate aim?

[B25]

VP, you are a complete idiot. You delibertely twist everything Hermes rightly says to you in simple plain english terms and turn it into utter bollocks. Seriosly, if you're not in politics, you ought to b,e for the BS you are spouting.

Hermes, everyone else understands and agrees with you (except the Turks and bananiots of course), keep up the good work, because it is only by educating these fools, that we may just get them to comprehen our side, instead of them crying their crocodile tears over and over.

As for Birkturk, well he is just another facist, partitionist, racist, bigot like many of the other TCs here all crying foul, foul, foul.

Why would we be so stupid to surrender what we have for a darn sight less?? Just so that a few TCs will feel ' comfortable'. They either join us, or can go back to their motherland, settlers and armies in tow.

We need to up the ante ourselves as they are getting too cocky these days. There are a few GCs on this forum that would make good government officials, especially where the Cyprob is concerned. Anyone????

[bill cobbett]

VP, you are a complete idiot. You delibertely twist everything Hermes rightly says to you in simple plain english terms and turn it into utter bollocks. Seriosly, if you're not in politics, you ought to b,e for the BS you are spouting.

Hermes, everyone else understands and agrees with you (except the Turks and bananiots of course), keep up the good work, because it is only by educating these fools, that we may just get them to comprehen our side, instead of them crying their crocodile tears over and over.

As for Birkturk, well he is just another facist, partitionist, racist, bigot like many of the other TCs here all crying foul, foul, foul.

Why would we be so stupid to surrender what we have for a darn sight less?? Just so that a few TCs will feel ' comfortable'. They either join us, or can go back to their motherland, settlers and armies in tow.

We need to up the ante ourselves as they are getting too cocky these days. There are a few GCs on this forum that would make good government officials, especially where the Cyprob is concerned. Anyone????

Am volunteering my services as Minister of Information.