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[aikhme]

aike

No you don't VP. You do not trust Bananiot at all. He just accepts all your demands like the defeatist he is, while the majority are not as accommodating and seek a fairer solution for all. As the partitionist fascist that you are, and as the Denktashist that you are, you do not want a unitary state at all, in fact, you don't want any solution, not even a BBF if you can help it which you can't. You ideally want your own country in Cyprus, which you will never achieve.

Why are you so stupid??? I am not demanding anything from Bananiot...I accept 100% that he and people like him will take care of everyones future equally...so if its a win lose situation I am happy for him to win and for me to lose because I know we have both won with people i can trust at the helm. he can get what you will never even get close to getting....people like you deserve a BBF with political equality of the 2 states and plenty of guarantees.

Of course you do VP. Of course you do. You are such a lovely and clever person.

Problem is, we are discussing a BBF, or Federal Solution to the Cyprus Problem, and in Federations, states happen to have equal status. Also, in a Federation, the TC community will be left in charge of a state, and will be more or less self governing. We never mentioned a unitary state.

You will never accept a unitary state no matter what, and even now, a person like you will never accept a BBF. They are the facts VP, and don't think for one second that Bananiot hasn't worked you out, despite what he states to appease other TCs. He knows who you are alright.

But you see VP, a unitary state hasn't even been mentioned. The RoC has gone over and beyond by accepting in principle a BBF, and the current President even mentioned rotational power sharing which is the most ridiculous thing ever. But even that is not good enough for you.

BBF is a compromise from both sides, your enosis dream and our taksim demands, so cut the crap about Gcs being the compromising side. The unitary has never been mentioned because you do not have Bananiots that GCs can trust....thats why people like you can only get a BBF that is your capacity.

No VP, BBF is a compromise from the GC side not yours. If you were able to do away with the isolation, and achieve recognition, there would be no chance you would even look at a BBF. We don't have any ENOSIS dreams but you hold on to your TAKSIM dreams and lie about our ENOSIS dreams in order to give your position some justification. Don't worry VP! We have worked you out and I think it is YOU that needs to cut the crap before you dehydrate and die.

You are only negotiating because the "TRNC" is in a hopeless situation with no prospects in the future, forcing your hand, but even then you negotiate with an "all or nothing" approach and you will not get "all or nothing".

So leave the unitary state nonsense to one side, because you won't even agree to a proper BBF. That is because you are a Partitionist, and you will still be a partitionsists even if all GCs were a bunch of defeatist Bananiots.

I would sign on the dotted line tomorrow for a unitary state with no guarantees if the majority of GCs shared the same stance and understanding of Bananiot. Your intelligence is insufficient to understand the difference between you and Bananiot and why he can easily succeed ay getting even partionists like me to accept a unitary state whereas morons like you will forever try to obtain a BBF.

Yes VP, most TCs will probably sign on the dotted line tomorrow, but you will never sign the dotted line whether that be for a unitary state, or a BBF. You will never sign the bottom line because you are a Denktashist fascist who ideally desires your own recognised country on stolen lands.

[Nikitas]

In the same way that California and Tennessee are partners in the federation called USA, or Lower Saxony and Holstein are partners in Germany, Manitoba and Quebec in Canada, Queensland and NSW in Australia. I am sure you can come up with more examples.

[bill cobbett]

Perceptive and well argued post if may say so Akihme.

A belated Welcome to CF

[Viewpoint]

In the same way that California and Tennessee are partners in the federation called USA, or Lower Saxony and Holstein are partners in Germany, Manitoba and Quebec in Canada, Queensland and NSW in Australia. I am sure you can come up with more examples.

Are federal laws above those of the independent states???

[Viewpoint]

aike

No you don't VP. You do not trust Bananiot at all. He just accepts all your demands like the defeatist he is, while the majority are not as accommodating and seek a fairer solution for all. As the partitionist fascist that you are, and as the Denktashist that you are, you do not want a unitary state at all, in fact, you don't want any solution, not even a BBF if you can help it which you can't. You ideally want your own country in Cyprus, which you will never achieve.

Why are you so stupid??? I am not demanding anything from Bananiot...I accept 100% that he and people like him will take care of everyones future equally...so if its a win lose situation I am happy for him to win and for me to lose because I know we have both won with people i can trust at the helm. he can get what you will never even get close to getting....people like you deserve a BBF with political equality of the 2 states and plenty of guarantees.

Of course you do VP. Of course you do. You are such a lovely and clever person.

Problem is, we are discussing a BBF, or Federal Solution to the Cyprus Problem, and in Federations, states happen to have equal status. Also, in a Federation, the TC community will be left in charge of a state, and will be more or less self governing. We never mentioned a unitary state.

You will never accept a unitary state no matter what, and even now, a person like you will never accept a BBF. They are the facts VP, and don't think for one second that Bananiot hasn't worked you out, despite what he states to appease other TCs. He knows who you are alright.

But you see VP, a unitary state hasn't even been mentioned. The RoC has gone over and beyond by accepting in principle a BBF, and the current President even mentioned rotational power sharing which is the most ridiculous thing ever. But even that is not good enough for you.

BBF is a compromise from both sides, your enosis dream and our taksim demands, so cut the crap about Gcs being the compromising side. The unitary has never been mentioned because you do not have Bananiots that GCs can trust....thats why people like you can only get a BBF that is your capacity.

No VP, BBF is a compromise from the GC side not yours. If you were able to do away with the isolation, and achieve recognition, there would be no chance you would even look at a BBF. We don't have any ENOSIS dreams but you hold on to your TAKSIM dreams and lie about our ENOSIS dreams in order to give your position some justification. Don't worry VP! We have worked you out and I think it is YOU that needs to cut the crap before you dehydrate and die.

You are only negotiating because the "TRNC" is in a hopeless situation with no prospects in the future, forcing your hand, but even then you negotiate with an "all or nothing" approach and you will not get "all or nothing".

So leave the unitary state nonsense to one side, because you won't even agree to a proper BBF. That is because you are a Partitionist, and you will still be a partitionsists even if all GCs were a bunch of defeatist Bananiots.

I would sign on the dotted line tomorrow for a unitary state with no guarantees if the majority of GCs shared the same stance and understanding of Bananiot. Your intelligence is insufficient to understand the difference between you and Bananiot and why he can easily succeed ay getting even partionists like me to accept a unitary state whereas morons like you will forever try to obtain a BBF.

Yes VP, most TCs will probably sign on the dotted line tomorrow, but you will never sign the dotted line whether that be for a unitary state, or a BBF. You will never sign the bottom line because you are a Denktashist fascist who ideally desires your own recognised country on stolen lands.

I give up, you still dont get it...obviously you never will, you just do not have the mental capacity to do so. All you and people like you are good for is a BBF with political equality of the two states and plenty of guarantees.

[Nikitas]

"Are federal laws above those of the independent states???"

The scope of each legal set is well defined. You must have heard the phrase "states' rights" regarding the USA. You probably also know that Turkey has ONE ambassador to the USA and not 50, one for each state. That should tell you something about the difference.

This is the point that Eroglu, driven by Turkey, is trying hard to pervert. Either you have a federation, which is ONE state, or a confederation which is a union of TWO states. It is dishonest to be trying for the second when declaring everywhere you are seeking BBF. Call it BBCF and be done with it. So we all know what we are talking about.

Either way we are talking about effective partition. I am enough of a pragmatist to know that.

[Viewpoint]

"Are federal laws above those of the independent states???"

The scope of each legal set is well defined. You must have heard the phrase "states' rights" regarding the USA. You probably also know that Turkey has ONE ambassador to the USA and not 50, one for each state. That should tell you something about the difference.

This is the point that Eroglu, driven by Turkey, is trying hard to pervert. Either you have a federation, which is ONE state, or a confederation which is a union of TWO states. It is dishonest to be trying for the second when declaring everywhere you are seeking BBF. Call it BBCF and be done with it. So we all know what we are talking about.

Either way we are talking about effective partition. I am enough of a pragmatist to know that.

Now can we have a straight answer?

[Pyrpolizer]

Bill honestly have you ever interacted with the youth of both sides....the majority not all as the few at the border prove there is some that are doing something towards their beliefs but the majority havent got a clue and they dont really understand care about unification, they are happy driving daddies car, going to private schools and having the best of everthing...they have nothing to fight for, why rock the boat.....if you were right then the border would have been packed with youth....al i saw was a few die hard hippies joking around.

Careful VP. You are constantly revealing personal information about you.
So..... you have now clearly exposed yourself once again. You belong to the Kibrisli class of ELITISTS

[Pyrpolizer]

There is also another small thing. The Cyprus issue cannot and will not get solved with resolutions or legal battles. This was tried and we have failed miserably, in fact it has taken us back. It is a political issue and can only be solved politically.

You are jumping into conclusions Bananiot. Who told you that the real purpose of the UN resolutions or applications to the ECHR was to solve the Cyprus problem?

For your information without the UN resolutions we wouldn't even exist as a state today, and the pseudo would be recognized.

It seems to me you suggest "do nothing, it's meaningless, it's pointless, it won't solve the Cyprob"

[Pyrpolizer]

I give up, you still dont get it...obviously you never will, you just do not have the mental capacity to do so. All you and people like you are good for is a BBF with political equality of the two states and plenty of guarantees.

I am really sorry to be carrier of bad news, but the truth is that after Christofias will be gone in about a year there will be no other President interested for BBF, in fact not interested for ANY kind of solution.

The plan by Turkey is very well known, she will replace the Kibrislis with settlers and next generation of settlers will get all political power in their hands.

Much to my surprise I lately discovered that settlers (not only real Kibrislis) do cross to the free areas, do get jobs and the RoC turns a blind eye. That solved my long standing querry how on earth many settlers in the occupied Nicosia knew Greek... This shows that there is a plan by the RoC too. She will use the settlers as cheap labor force and have them under their economic control.

Plan A of course will be the hydrocarbon exploitation, building up huge money and alliances in the region etc etc without having to SHARE anything with the Kibrislis who in 20 years or so will disappear anyway. RoC will continue having claims on the occupied territory, and the Kypreoi be deprived of their properties in the occupied, but then again would they be willing to risk EVERYTHING for a miserable BBF solution or even take the Kibrislis And as many of their "new cypriots" aka settlers back in a Unitary state under the 1960 agreements? Yaeeks nooo. Money from oil would be a much much better alternative.

NB. Of course for you as an Elitist in the Occupied life will continue as rosy as it is today VP. No worries.