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[Bananiot]

There is also another small thing. The Cyprus issue cannot and will not get solved with resolutions or legal battles. This was tried and we have failed miserably, in fact it has taken us back. It is a political issue and can only be solved politically.

[aikhme]

You still dont get it. why do I trust Bananiot with my future in a unitary state and not you?

Why don't you answer that question VP?

Let's hear it. Why is it that you don't trust me?

Is it because you are a partitionist fascist who is a lost cause and Bananiot will give you everything you desire in order to appease you which he never will despite you telling him otherwise. One day Bananiot will wake up, and I personally have a feeling that he knows exactly where you stand but is being nice, because he wrongfully believes that with this approach he will tame the fascist beast within you.

I for one don't believe Bananiot is stupid. He may be many things, but stupid he is not. Don't think for one second that he doesn't know who or what kind of person you really are.

And don't bloody insult us with you utter nonsense VP. YOU don't want a unitary state with anyone, not even Bananiot. He just has his approach, rightfully or wrongfully, which is more defeatist than most in order to appease the fascist within you. YOU take his "side" and pretend to be the all round nice guy by saying that you will be happy to have a unitary state if all GCs were like him, knowing full well that the majority of GCs will never accept all your terms like he does, which is EXACTLY what you want, because even if all GCs were Bananiots, a fascist like you will never accept a unitary state. YOU take his side because everyone who disagrees with Bananiot, and is no defeatist is a "fascist" and this plays right into your hands because you can NEVER have a unitary state with "fascists" like the rest of us who will NOT be held hostage to your every whim.

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You still dont get it. why do I trust Bananiot with my future in a unitary state and not you?

Why don't you answer that question VP?

Let's hear it. Why is it that you don't trust me?

Is it because you are a partitionist fascist who is a lost cause and Bananiot will give you everything you desire in order to appease you which he never will despite you telling him otherwise. One day Bananiot will wake up, and I personally have a feeling that he knows exactly where you stand but is being nice, because he wrongfully believes that with this approach he will tame the fascist beast within you.

I for one don't believe Bananiot is stupid. He may be many things, but stupid he is not. Don't think for one second that he doesn't know who or what kind of person you really are.

And don't bloody insult us with you utter nonsense VP. YOU don't want a unitary state with anyone, not even Bananiot. He just has his approach, rightfully or wrongfully, which is more defeatist than most in order to appease the fascist within you. YOU take his "side" and pretend to be the all round nice guy by saying that you will be happy to have a unitary state if all GCs were like him, knowing full well that the majority of GCs will never accept all your terms like he does, which is EXACTLY what you want, because even if all GCs were Bananiots, a fascist like you will never accept a unitary state. YOU take his side because everyone who disagrees with Bananiot, and is no defeatist is a "fascist" and this plays right into your hands because you can NEVER have a unitary state with "fascists" like the rest of us who will NOT be held hostage to your every whim.

Right now I have to take of the polite cap seeing you do not respect those boundaries, your stupidity knows no bounds..you still dont get it....I trust Bananiot 100% because I know from his stance that given the power in a unitary state even with no guarantees he would never try to brush us to one side or jeopardize our safety, implementing equality for all not just GCs as is my fear with people of your mentality. Your attitude stink from hell to high water, your only aim is to take control of the whole island and diminish the TCs into minority status in a GC state, you can give the surgeon the best scalpel but you cannot guarantee he will do a good job operating, you have to trust them with your life...GCs like Bananiot I trust but GCs like you never. The only way that it would ever even be remotely possible would be via a BBF with political equality and plenty of guarantees that you will not kill me on the operating table.

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DP

[B25]

B25

Bacause Banana is a defeatist and will sell his soul to the devil just to appease you. There is an extremely small number that think the way he does, so don't get your hopes up.

This is something you will never understand, the difference between you and him is that he can have a unitary state whereas people like you are not trusted and have to be constrained to a BBF with equal political status of the 2 states, plus guarantees etc etc. If the majority of GCs had 50% of what Bananiot has you would have solved the Cyprus issue years ago.

This total bollocks and you know it. If 50% has what Banana has we would all be turkish by now.

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B25

Bacause Banana is a defeatist and will sell his soul to the devil just to appease you. There is an extremely small number that think the way he does, so don't get your hopes up.

This is something you will never understand, the difference between you and him is that he can have a unitary state whereas people like you are not trusted and have to be constrained to a BBF with equal political status of the 2 states, plus guarantees etc etc. If the majority of GCs had 50% of what Bananiot has you would have solved the Cyprus issue years ago.

This total bollocks and you know it. If 50% has what Banana has we would all be turkish by now.

We are talking unitary state no Turkish guarantee, no army, no settlers, no border, no quotas, everyone returns.........no demands.

[aikhme]

You still dont get it. why do I trust Bananiot with my future in a unitary state and not you?

Why don't you answer that question VP?

Let's hear it. Why is it that you don't trust me?

Is it because you are a partitionist fascist who is a lost cause and Bananiot will give you everything you desire in order to appease you which he never will despite you telling him otherwise. One day Bananiot will wake up, and I personally have a feeling that he knows exactly where you stand but is being nice, because he wrongfully believes that with this approach he will tame the fascist beast within you.

I for one don't believe Bananiot is stupid. He may be many things, but stupid he is not. Don't think for one second that he doesn't know who or what kind of person you really are.

And don't bloody insult us with you utter nonsense VP. YOU don't want a unitary state with anyone, not even Bananiot. He just has his approach, rightfully or wrongfully, which is more defeatist than most in order to appease the fascist within you. YOU take his "side" and pretend to be the all round nice guy by saying that you will be happy to have a unitary state if all GCs were like him, knowing full well that the majority of GCs will never accept all your terms like he does, which is EXACTLY what you want, because even if all GCs were Bananiots, a fascist like you will never accept a unitary state. YOU take his side because everyone who disagrees with Bananiot, and is no defeatist is a "fascist" and this plays right into your hands because you can NEVER have a unitary state with "fascists" like the rest of us who will NOT be held hostage to your every whim.

Right now I have to take of the polite cap seeing you do not respect those boundaries, your stupidity knows no bounds..you still dont get it....I trust Bananiot 100% because

No you don't VP. You do not trust Bananiot at all. He just accepts all your demands like the defeatist he is, while the majority are not as accommodating and seek a fairer solution for all. As the partitionist fascist that you are, and as the Denktashist that you are, you do not want a unitary state at all, in fact, you don't want any solution, not even a BBF if you can help it which you can't. You ideally want your own country in Cyprus, which you will never achieve.

I know from his stance that given the power in a unitary state even with no guarantees he would never try to brush us to one side or jeopardize our safety, implementing equality for all not just GCs as is my fear with people of your mentality. Your attitude stink from hell to high water, your only aim is to take control of the whole island and diminish the TCs into minority status in a GC state, you can give the surgeon the best scalpel but you cannot guarantee he will do a good job operating, you have to trust them with your life...GCs like Bananiot I trust but GCs like you never. The only way that it would ever even be remotely possible would be via a BBF with political equality and plenty of guarantees that you will not kill me on the operating table.

But you see VP, a unitary state hasn't even been mentioned. The RoC has gone over and beyond by accepting in principle a BBF, and the current President even mentioned rotational power sharing which is the most ridiculous thing ever. But even that is not good enough for you.

So leave the unitary state nonsense to one side, because you won't even agree to a proper BBF. That is because you are a Partitionist, and you will still be a partitionsists even if all GCs were a bunch of defeatist Bananiots.

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aike

No you don't VP. You do not trust Bananiot at all. He just accepts all your demands like the defeatist he is, while the majority are not as accommodating and seek a fairer solution for all. As the partitionist fascist that you are, and as the Denktashist that you are, you do not want a unitary state at all, in fact, you don't want any solution, not even a BBF if you can help it which you can't. You ideally want your own country in Cyprus, which you will never achieve.

Why are you so stupid??? I am not demanding anything from Bananiot...I accept 100% that he and people like him will take care of everyones future equally...so if its a win lose situation I am happy for him to win and for me to lose because I know we have both won with people i can trust at the helm. he can get what you will never even get close to getting....people like you deserve a BBF with political equality of the 2 states and plenty of guarantees.

But you see VP, a unitary state hasn't even been mentioned. The RoC has gone over and beyond by accepting in principle a BBF, and the current President even mentioned rotational power sharing which is the most ridiculous thing ever. But even that is not good enough for you.

BBF is a compromise from both sides, your enosis dream and our taksim demands, so cut the crap about Gcs being the compromising side. The unitary has never been mentioned because you do not have Bananiots that GCs can trust....thats why people like you can only get a BBF that is your capacity.

So leave the unitary state nonsense to one side, because you won't even agree to a proper BBF. That is because you are a Partitionist, and you will still be a partitionsists even if all GCs were a bunch of defeatist Bananiots.

I would sign on the dotted line tomorrow for a unitary state with no guarantees if the majority of GCs shared the same stance and understanding of Bananiot. Your intelligence is insufficient to understand the difference between you and Bananiot and why he can easily succeed ay getting even partionists like me to accept a unitary state whereas morons like you will forever try to obtain a BBF.

[Nikitas]

Bananiot said: "This shows the extend of our problem which in a nutshell means that the international institutions believe that we shoulder at least part of the blame for the current situation."

When we accepted the BBF solution back in 1977 we accepted a hell of a lot of the blame.

I have no doubt about BBF and its true nature, it is partition. Wich is not my main concern. My problem is the continuing geopolitical game played by Turkey and which directly threatens our survival on the island. In a post EU federation, there is no room for permanent stationing of troops, diminished sovereignty for the BBF state (rescue arrangements, territorial waters, EEZ etc of Annan).

Others do not give priority to the geopolitical aspect of the Cyprus issue. A similar mistake was made by Greece in the 1960s regarding the Aegean. Today Turkish jets daily overfly islands and warships sail within sight of Piraeus. This is the future with a "neighbor", "ally" and in our case "guarantor". No thanks. Outright partition is a "less worse" outcome.

And in any case, the key is not with us. The TCs are the ones who will ultimately decide whether they will be Turkey's alter ego on the island, either as a vassal state, or a confederated component, or whether they will be partners in an independent federated state where they will still have their partition dreams fulfilled.

Are these right wing nationalist views? If so they have been promoted by the Guardian in the UK and other media of the same inclination. What is it that those leftists can see that ours cannot?

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Bananiot said: "This shows the extend of our problem which in a nutshell means that the international institutions believe that we shoulder at least part of the blame for the current situation."

When we accepted the BBF solution back in 1977 we accepted a hell of a lot of the blame.

I have no doubt about BBF and its true nature, it is partition. Wich is not my main concern. My problem is the continuing geopolitical game played by Turkey and which directly threatens our survival on the island. In a post EU federation, there is no room for permanent stationing of troops, diminished sovereignty for the BBF state (rescue arrangements, territorial waters, EEZ etc of Annan).

Others do not give priority to the geopolitical aspect of the Cyprus issue. A similar mistake was made by Greece in the 1960s regarding the Aegean. Today Turkish jets daily overfly islands and warships sail within sight of Piraeus. This is the future with a "neighbor", "ally" and in our case "guarantor". No thanks. Outright partition is a "less worse" outcome.

And in any case, the key is not with us. The TCs are the ones who will ultimately decide whether they will be Turkey's alter ego on the island, either as a vassal state, or a confederated component, or whether they will be partners in an independent federated state where they will still have their partition dreams fulfilled.

Are these right wing nationalist views? If so they have been promoted by the Guardian in the UK and other media of the same inclination. What is it that those leftists can see that ours cannot?

Please clarify the highlighted area how is that possible in a partnership when we are tied together?