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aike

You better believe it VP.

If this situation continues, along will come the day when you will lose it all, with the assistance of the EU, and the UN and perhaps even other newly acquired and old allies.

How and when? just throwing out statements and hoping the stick dont make them necessarily true, you really need to back up your claims as the current situation looks permanent and you are just pissing in the wind.

A solution is in your interest far more than it is ours. You have an excellent opportunity, since our side has made the biggest compromise of all by endorsing in principle a BBF solution. Even 4:2 rotating presidencies have been mentioned, which should only be a 4:1 rotating presidency. All these compromises from our side and nothing to show from yours. Yes VP, we can afford to wait another 37 years, but you can't because in 37 years, the TC community will become nothing, and the "TRNC" will still be unrecognised as it has always been.

Aike with the way the population is increasing in the north the new generation TCs will out number you GCs in the very near future, so will you want to unite then? Dont spin the old one about sending them back many are first and now second generation born and raised here so the EU "norms" would never allow you to ship them back to where they came from you will have to accept them as your equal and allow them to rule you.

Our side could even accept a Treaty of Guarantee from the EU, NATO, or other international force, which could in part include troops from Turkey, Greece, and Britain and maybe others as well, but it will never accept a Treaty of Guarantee that gives any nation the unilateral right to intervene in Cyprus as Turkey wants.

What about what we want obviously doesnt that count?

[aikhme]

How and when? just throwing out statements and hoping the stick dont make them necessarily true, you really need to back up your claims as the current situation looks permanent and you are just pissing in the wind.

Don't you worry about the when and how VP. It may take a long time, but the longer there is no solution, the more you will be compromised. We will both suffer if there is no solution, but you will suffer far more, and eventually you will lose everything in your quest for an "all or nothing" solution, which we will never put our signature to, just like all invaders before you.

Aike with the way the population is increasing in the north the new generation TCs will out number you GCs in the very near future, so will you want to unite then? Dont spin the old one about sending them back many are first and now second generation born and raised here so the EU "norms" would never allow you to ship them back to where they came from you will have to accept them as your equal and allow them to rule you.

Don't be stupid VP. We are no fools because we know what the conditions are like on the ground in the "TRNC". Most are students and itinerant workers, and whilst there are settlers from Anatolia, mostly despised by the majority of TCs, you will never outnumber us because no one in their right mind will stay forever in an isolated derelict backwater. Eventually, most will move back to Turkey, particularly as it develops further.

What about what we want obviously doesnt that count?

No you can't have everything you want and your "security concerns" are not a valid argument because by the same token, the GCs have similar security concerns just like you do, and that is the reason why a unilateral guarantee will never be accepted by our side because that would be asking for trouble. The EU, UN, or a group of countries can provide Guarantees collectively (and only for a period in time) without any having any unilateral rights, particularly Turkey which is an unstable nation that does not fully respect Human Rights within its own borders, let alone allowing it to have the responsibility of unilateral rights in Cyprus.

Already, we have made many compromises, but no matter how many compromises we make, it will never be enough for you. You are nothing but a fascist VP, and we will never give you everything or the means to destroy us forever, which is what we will be doing if Turkey has unilateral powers in Cyprus.

[bill cobbett]

Bill honestly have you ever interacted with the youth of both sides....the majority not all as the few at the border prove there is some that are doing something towards their beliefs but the majority havent got a clue and they dont really understand care about unification, they are happy driving daddies car, going to private schools and having the best of everthing...they have nothing to fight for, why rock the boat.....if you were right then the border would have been packed with youth....al i saw was a few die hard hippies joking around.

Our dear VP... CY youth will have similar aspirations to the young anywhere, some will be politically active and others can't aspire to anything more than owning a Merc. That's the way it is.

What does it matter how they are dressed or are "hippies" as you call them? It's their views which are important and the End to Divisions side of their message will appeal but the other side, the anti-capitalist side won't go down too well amongst conservative CYs.

They have by the way VP achieved something tremendous in that there are now a few square yards of CY that are Free and Re-united and that undoubtably causes you distress and some alarm.

[aikhme]

So aike does that mean the EU will give you the north back? How long has it been 7 years and zilch not one inch of land has been returned not one new generation TC has gone back and not one Turkish soldiers has departed....now whos barking up the wrong tree?

You better believe it VP.

If this situation continues, along will come the day when you will lose it all, with the assistance of the EU, and the UN and perhaps even other newly acquired and old allies.

A solution is in your interest far more than it is ours. You have an excellent opportunity, since our side has made the biggest compromise of all by endorsing in principle a BBF solution. Even 4:2 rotating presidencies have been mentioned, which should only be a 4:1 rotating presidency. All these compromises from our side and nothing to show from yours. Yes VP, we can afford to wait another 37 years, but you can't because in 37 years, the TC community will become nothing, and the "TRNC" will still be unrecognised as it has always been.

Our side could even accept a Treaty of Guarantee from the EU, NATO, or other international force, which could in part include troops from Turkey, Greece, and Britain and maybe others as well, but it will never accept a Treaty of Guarantee that gives any nation the unilateral right to intervene in Cyprus as Turkey wants.

Aike, respect, but Cyprus does not want nor need ANY treaty of Guarantee. We had this and look what happened. We are a free sovereign country and we don't need Guarantees from any one. As an EU member state and an UN member our allies should ensure our safety, not have Intervention rights, there is a difference.

All the same na ' sai Kala.

B25,

Of course what you say would be the ideal situation. Unfortunately, the TCs have some security concerns. We too have security concerns, which is why we can never accept a unilateral Treaty of Guarantee from Turkey or any other country for that matter, but especially unstable Turkey. However, in order to satisfy every one's security concerns, imagined or true, we may need to enter into some kind of arrangement for a period of time. We will not be able to insist on the "all or nothing", because that only guarantees the perpetuation of the problem. We want a solution, and let them fall on their swords by taking the "all or nothing" approach if that is what they are going to continue to do. This is what will defeat them eventually, and anyone with a brain can work it out.

[Viewpoint]

How and when? just throwing out statements and hoping the stick dont make them necessarily true, you really need to back up your claims as the current situation looks permanent and you are just pissing in the wind.

Don't you worry about the when and how VP. It may take a long time, but the longer there is no solution, the more you will be compromised. We will both suffer if there is no solution, but you will suffer far more, and eventually you will lose everything in your quest for an "all or nothing" solution, which we will never put our signature to, just like all invaders before you.

Aike with the way the population is increasing in the north the new generation TCs will out number you GCs in the very near future, so will you want to unite then? Dont spin the old one about sending them back many are first and now second generation born and raised here so the EU "norms" would never allow you to ship them back to where they came from you will have to accept them as your equal and allow them to rule you.

Don't be stupid VP. We are no fools because we know what the conditions are like on the ground in the "TRNC". Most are students and itinerant workers, and whilst there are settlers from Anatolia, mostly despised by the majority of TCs, you will never outnumber us because no one in their right mind will stay forever in an isolated derelict backwater. Eventually, most will move back to Turkey, particularly as it develops further.

What about what we want obviously doesnt that count?

No you can't have everything you want and your "security concerns" are not a valid argument because by the same token, the GCs have similar security concerns just like you do, and that is the reason why a unilateral guarantee will never be accepted by our side because that would be asking for trouble. The EU, UN, or a group of countries can provide Guarantees collectively (and only for a period in time) without any having any unilateral rights, particularly Turkey which is an unstable nation that does not fully respect Human Rights within its own borders, let alone allowing it to have the responsibility of unilateral rights in Cyprus.

Already, we have made many compromises, but no matter how many compromises we make, it will never be enough for you. You are nothing but a fascist VP, and we will never give you everything or the means to destroy us forever, which is what we will be doing if Turkey has unilateral powers in Cyprus.

Thank you aike for displaying clearly why there will never be a solution in Cyprus, the chasm is just to wide and neither side has the slightest intention of bridging it....as soon as you cannot cope with what is being debated which is outside of your "demand2 box instead of using persuasion you attack by name calling. Well we can go on like this forever you can always try and stop things but 37 years proves me right and you wrong. We will return to our Turkish roots and you can lick your palms (old Turkish saying) from across the border.

[Viewpoint]

Bill honestly have you ever interacted with the youth of both sides....the majority not all as the few at the border prove there is some that are doing something towards their beliefs but the majority havent got a clue and they dont really understand care about unification, they are happy driving daddies car, going to private schools and having the best of everthing...they have nothing to fight for, why rock the boat.....if you were right then the border would have been packed with youth....al i saw was a few die hard hippies joking around.

Our dear VP... CY youth will have similar aspirations to the young anywhere, some will be politically active and others can't aspire to anything more than owning a Merc. That's the way it is.

What does it matter how they are dressed or are "hippies" as you call them? It's their views which are important and the End to Divisions side of their message will appeal but the other side, the anti-capitalist side won't go down too well amongst conservative CYs.

They have by the way VP achieved something tremendous in that there are now a few square yards of CY that are Free and Re-united and that undoubtably causes you distress and some alarm.

Any ideology without popular support and backing is doomed to fail, the youth in Cyprus do not have any political will or desire to unite other than a few lost souls that are resident at Ledra. This desire to solve the Cyprus will over the years diminish and people at some way on into the future will ask what issue was that?

[aikhme]

Thank you aike for displaying clearly why there will never be a solution in Cyprus, the chasm is just to wide and neither side has the slightest intention of bridging it....as soon as you cannot cope with what is being debated which is outside of your "demand2 box instead of using persuasion you attack by name calling. Well we can go on like this forever you can always try and stop things but 37 years proves me right and you wrong. We will return to our Turkish roots and you can lick your palms (old Turkish saying) from across the border.

I called you a fascist because that is EXACTLY what you are.

The chasm you speak about is only wide amongst fascists such as you, and others on your side and ours. On our side, their power is marginalised, as it should be. On your side I am not so sure anymore.

If there is no solution, then you will lose far more than what we ever will. We will continue to thrive and go from strength to strength. I pity the young TCs that you will condemn from your very own hatred and arrogance, most who will suffer through no fault of their own. And remember, if there is no solution, then the situation will eventually solve itself in a number of years, but it will not be to your liking. This may be a paradox, but no solution means you will lose it all, and won't even have a BBF or anything else that is on the table right now from our side.

In the end, you will dig your own hole VP, but alas, you will take down many with you, and that is the biggest shame of all.

[GreekIslandGirl]

So aike does that mean the EU will give you the north back? How long has it been 7 years and zilch not one inch of land has been returned not one new generation TC has gone back and not one Turkish soldiers has departed....now whos barking up the wrong tree?

You better believe it VP.

If this situation continues, along will come the day when you will lose it all, with the assistance of the EU, and the UN and perhaps even other newly acquired and old allies.

A solution is in your interest far more than it is ours. You have an excellent opportunity, since our side has made the biggest compromise of all by endorsing in principle a BBF solution. Even 4:2 rotating presidencies have been mentioned, which should only be a 4:1 rotating presidency. All these compromises from our side and nothing to show from yours. Yes VP, we can afford to wait another 37 years, but you can't because in 37 years, the TC community will become nothing, and the "TRNC" will still be unrecognised as it has always been.

Our side could even accept a Treaty of Guarantee from the EU, NATO, or other international force, which could in part include troops from Turkey, Greece, and Britain and maybe others as well, but it will never accept a Treaty of Guarantee that gives any nation the unilateral right to intervene in Cyprus as Turkey wants.

Aike, respect, but Cyprus does not want nor need ANY treaty of Guarantee. We had this and look what happened. We are a free sovereign country and we don't need Guarantees from any one. As an EU member state and an UN member our allies should ensure our safety, not have Intervention rights, there is a difference.

All the same na ' sai Kala.

B25,

Of course what you say would be the ideal situation. Unfortunately, the TCs have some security concerns. We too have security concerns, which is why we can never accept a unilateral Treaty of Guarantee from Turkey or any other country for that matter, but especially unstable Turkey. However, in order to satisfy every one's security concerns, imagined or true, we may need to enter into some kind of arrangement for a period of time. We will not be able to insist on the "all or nothing", because that only guarantees the perpetuation of the problem. We want a solution, and let them fall on their swords by taking the "all or nothing" approach if that is what they are going to continue to do. This is what will defeat them eventually, and anyone with a brain can work it out.

I don't think the EU requires ANY form of (imposed) guarantees from foreign parties for security within its borders.

[DT.]

Bir these morons understand exactly what you are saying but like their forefathers they are turning a blind eye to your calls for actions that help heal the past and build trust. No GC has actually convinced anyone that the GC/EU option is better for TCs than moving forward with Turkey...how ironic they cant even promote what they say will be all thats needed for a solution.

Why don't you and Bir explain to us what it is you would like the GC's to do to make you feel safe.

[aikhme]

So aike does that mean the EU will give you the north back? How long has it been 7 years and zilch not one inch of land has been returned not one new generation TC has gone back and not one Turkish soldiers has departed....now whos barking up the wrong tree?

You better believe it VP.

If this situation continues, along will come the day when you will lose it all, with the assistance of the EU, and the UN and perhaps even other newly acquired and old allies.

A solution is in your interest far more than it is ours. You have an excellent opportunity, since our side has made the biggest compromise of all by endorsing in principle a BBF solution. Even 4:2 rotating presidencies have been mentioned, which should only be a 4:1 rotating presidency. All these compromises from our side and nothing to show from yours. Yes VP, we can afford to wait another 37 years, but you can't because in 37 years, the TC community will become nothing, and the "TRNC" will still be unrecognised as it has always been.

Our side could even accept a Treaty of Guarantee from the EU, NATO, or other international force, which could in part include troops from Turkey, Greece, and Britain and maybe others as well, but it will never accept a Treaty of Guarantee that gives any nation the unilateral right to intervene in Cyprus as Turkey wants.

Aike, respect, but Cyprus does not want nor need ANY treaty of Guarantee. We had this and look what happened. We are a free sovereign country and we don't need Guarantees from any one. As an EU member state and an UN member our allies should ensure our safety, not have Intervention rights, there is a difference.

All the same na ' sai Kala.

B25,

Of course what you say would be the ideal situation. Unfortunately, the TCs have some security concerns. We too have security concerns, which is why we can never accept a unilateral Treaty of Guarantee from Turkey or any other country for that matter, but especially unstable Turkey. However, in order to satisfy every one's security concerns, imagined or true, we may need to enter into some kind of arrangement for a period of time. We will not be able to insist on the "all or nothing", because that only guarantees the perpetuation of the problem. We want a solution, and let them fall on their swords by taking the "all or nothing" approach if that is what they are going to continue to do. This is what will defeat them eventually, and anyone with a brain can work it out.

I don't think the EU requires ANY form of (imposed) guarantees from foreign parties for security within its borders.

The foreign party will eventually not be so foreign and will find itself within the same borders, presuming Turkey overcomes the many obstacles.

EU Guarantees is something that is palatable, as no one has unilateral intervention rights, and the EU can station a small force for a period of time. The Treaty will not be indefinite, and neither can it contravene any EU principles outline in the EU Acquis.