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[aikhme]

I smell a Greek nationalist here…

Really? How did you work that out?

Then where did you get the "aikhme" from? Sarkozy's bum?

I see!

I get it now. I have a French Flag, and my nom de plume is the Spartan aikhme. That must make me a Franco Greek nationalist. Yes, that makes sense now.

Why the preoccupation with balls and bums? Are you gay by any chance?

[Viewpoint]

Go ahead impress me and other TCs to side with and tell Turkey to go home.

I think you ought to work it out for yourself, VP. You're a grown man. You don't need me to explain why living as an EU citizen in a free Cyprus is preferable to living under Turkish subjugation in a partitioned island. If it hasn't dawned on you yet you're not trying hard enough.

Ok I get it you dont have the answers, you cannot say anything that will persuade TCs to side with you? Its the EU so everything is perfect,please open your eyes and look around the EU is far from perfect and there are many countries in the not suffering economically but lagging way behind their counter parts....compare life in Romania to that of the man in Germany. You are trying again to sell us faulty goods...the EU impresses no one anymore add to this your desire to take control of the whole and dominate you have a receipt that will be rejected time and time again.

Stand up for what you preach if the EU aquis is the answer to all our problems then why dont you clarify exactly how the EU for starters will solve with our security and mistrust issues?

[Viewpoint]

aike Bananiot is a seasoned forumer and does not have to explain himself over and over again, he clearly understands that you cannot force your text book solution onto the TCs as there are many factors which your not taking into consideration, the biggest being a total mistrust between the two major communities. You feel that by quoting democracy human rights and freedom that everything will fall in place? its doesnt work that way thats why a solution will never be found, we demand security and guarantees where as Gcs want the freedom to do as they wish which we feel will be to our detrement as they have a great track record in dealing with TCs. Bananiot realizes understands and makes allowances for the fears, concerns and mistrust of TCs...pity there are not more like him I would sign on the dotted line tomorrow for a unitary state with GCs like Bananiot at the helm.

So try showing some respect to this sensitive and highly intelligent individaual.

[Hermes]

you cannot say anything that will persuade TCs to side with you? Its the EU so everything is perfect,please open your eyes and look around the EU is far from perfect

VP, what are you actually arguing? If there is a solution and the island is re-united, the suspension of the EU acquis in the north will be lifted and EU law will come into effect. T/Cs are already EU citizens. The north of the island is already in the EU. Once Turkish troops leave you cannot then opt out of the EU. Besides why would you suddenly decide you don't want to be EU citizens or EU law to apply in the north when it would guarantee your religious and ethnic rights? You're not making any sense.

[Get Real!]

Hermes you have yet to take the lead and try to clarify why we should choose the EU and yourselves over Turkey? The first issue would be security how will you use the EU aquis to provide for the security between the two main communities in Cyprus?

You GCs sound like you have read the "how to do it text book" but have no real practical solutions that would clinch the deal.

Go ahead impress me and other TCs to side with and tell Turkey to go home.

Cyprus is NOT a community and that’s why all talk trying to treat it as such fails.

You want to waste another 5 years talking communities? Go ahead, but hardly anyone is listening any more.

The theory has all but evaporated…

The text book approach is all well and good but the simple man in street wants clear precise explanations as how uniting with GCs (south Cyprus) will make their lives any better than it is today, because if they felt it was worth it they would surely push for unification. But all we hear is a lot of theory and no real concrete details and no one can provide this, they talk like politicians no real answers just a lot of hot air. If my future is to handed over to GCs leaders who have never expressed or shown their concern for TCs and have no real explanations to how my future will improve then you will never convince any TCs let alone get their trust or support.

You could've just said... "What's in it for me?"

But anyway, I always thought that the primary goal is to get everyone who lost their land and/or property back.

[Viewpoint]

you cannot say anything that will persuade TCs to side with you? Its the EU so everything is perfect,please open your eyes and look around the EU is far from perfect

VP, what are you actually arguing? If there is a solution and the island is re-united, the suspension of the EU acquis in the north will be lifted and EU law will come into effect. T/Cs are already EU citizens. The north of the island is already in the EU. Once Turkish troops leave you cannot then opt out of the EU. Besides why would you suddenly decide you don't want to be EU citizens or EU law to apply in the north when it would guarantee your religious and ethnic rights? You're not making any sense.

Did you ever ask the TCs if they wanted to join the EU? was there ever a referendum on the issue?

I will ask again can you give examples of how we will be better of in the EU with GCs? what can you say to persuade us to a point where we say yes they are right we should push for union and tell Turkey to go home. If you can do this then you will achieve a solution, you just continue to display the same old that you do not have the answers the EU aquis does not after all provide the perfect solution you claim its a facade to get us to entice us to make a monumental mistake of handing the GCs sole control over the whole island with no security or guarantees.

[Viewpoint]

Hermes you have yet to take the lead and try to clarify why we should choose the EU and yourselves over Turkey? The first issue would be security how will you use the EU aquis to provide for the security between the two main communities in Cyprus?

You GCs sound like you have read the "how to do it text book" but have no real practical solutions that would clinch the deal.

Go ahead impress me and other TCs to side with and tell Turkey to go home.

Cyprus is NOT a community and that’s why all talk trying to treat it as such fails.

You want to waste another 5 years talking communities? Go ahead, but hardly anyone is listening any more.

The theory has all but evaporated…

The text book approach is all well and good but the simple man in street wants clear precise explanations as how uniting with GCs (south Cyprus) will make their lives any better than it is today, because if they felt it was worth it they would surely push for unification. But all we hear is a lot of theory and no real concrete details and no one can provide this, they talk like politicians no real answers just a lot of hot air. If my future is to handed over to GCs leaders who have never expressed or shown their concern for TCs and have no real explanations to how my future will improve then you will never convince any TCs let alone get their trust or support.

You could've just said... "What's in it for me?"

But anyway, I always thought that the primary goal is to get everyone who lost their land and/or property back.

OK GR lets say for arguments sake it was physically possible for everyone to return to where they were in 1974....how will life improve for TCs? what will in your opinion persuade them to say yes we should call for Turkey to leave as its better to unite with GCs under the EU....no one is answering the silence is deafening as really says it all.

[Get Real!]

OK GR lets say for arguments sake it was physically possible for everyone to return to where they were in 1974....how will life improve for TCs? what will in your opinion persuade them to say yes we should call for Turkey to leave as its better to unite with GCs under the EU....no one is answering the silence is deafening as really says it all.

For starters, pretty much everything here is of a higher standard than in the “TRNC” and these standards would be extended throughout the island including European laws and values spreading to all four corners of Cyprus.

Opportunities for young TCs would be much better in all faculties. Arts, sports, everything!

The country would be free of roadblocks, barbed wire, walls, and everything else.

In time everything should improve, housing, medicare, education, employment, business, everything!

[Viewpoint]

GR

For starters, pretty much everything here is of a higher standard than in the “TRNC” and these standards would be extended throughout the island including European laws and values spreading to all four corners of Cyprus.

You are joking arent you? like what?

Opportunities for young TCs would be much better in all faculties. Arts, sports, everything!

These are all available here and in Turkey.

The country would be free of roadblocks, barbed wire, walls, and everything else.

This is not a benefit to anyone its just removal of some barriers.

In time everything should improve, housing, medicare, education, employment, business, everything!

SHOULD being the operative word, these are take a chance explanations and speculative you have nothing concrete to put forward have you?

[Get Real!]

GR

For starters, pretty much everything here is of a higher standard than in the “TRNC” and these standards would be extended throughout the island including European laws and values spreading to all four corners of Cyprus.

You are joking arent you? like what?

Where do I start! Infrastructure, medical services, sporting facilities, govt grants and schemes, housing standards, ports, …the only thing being the same is the weather!