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[denizaksulu]

but GR will oil get TR out of Cyprus?

Oil, when managed correctly has been known to do far greater things than that…

GR: Now that you mentioned 'oil', I fear for Cyprus future even more. Look at the other 'Oil States'. 'managing oil correctly' you say......its already going to everyones head, even Turkeys!

Nice to see you around cousin. I hope alls well as can be.

[AlanwithoneL]

I have a lot of time to waste at the moment,so I am here to see how stupidly you are wasting yours...You have tried this before,getting everything your way,by hook or by crook,and look where it got you...I am trying to stop you from committing hara kiri,because I love my country and my countymen and women...I have little tolerance for fools however...You have been warned...

Greek Cypriots need no lessons on what is good for them. GCs avoided suicide with the discredited Annan Plan. We're EU citizens now and our expectations are much much higher. We fought hard to get our sovereignty recognised and guaranteed and we're not about to hand over half the island to Turkey on a plate. The time for that came and went in 2004. It's over. GCs don't give up so easily. Haven't you Turks realised that by now?

You wait till there are 2 million Turks breathing down your neck from the trnc....You will realise a thing or two then...

Birkibrisli, with the exception of one or 2 individuals the GC's/Greeks of this forum are the worst kind of people I've ever had the misfortune of communicating with. Your posts are enlightening and to the point, yet they are too blinkered or just plain blind to see and all they can do is insult and attack. I sometimes cant help thinking they deserve all they got, all that they are going to get, and more.

[BirKibrisli]

but GR will oil get TR out of Cyprus?

Oil, when managed correctly has been known to do far greater things than that…

GR: Now that you mentioned 'oil', I fear for Cyprus future even more. Look at the other 'Oil States'. 'managing oil correctly' you say......its already going to everyones head, even Turkeys!

Nice to see you around cousin. I hope alls well as can be.

Good to see you too,Cuz! All is as well as can be,and some things might get even better soon...Take care...

[BirKibrisli]

I have a lot of time to waste at the moment,so I am here to see how stupidly you are wasting yours...You have tried this before,getting everything your way,by hook or by crook,and look where it got you...I am trying to stop you from committing hara kiri,because I love my country and my countymen and women...I have little tolerance for fools however...You have been warned...

Greek Cypriots need no lessons on what is good for them. GCs avoided suicide with the discredited Annan Plan. We're EU citizens now and our expectations are much much higher. We fought hard to get our sovereignty recognised and guaranteed and we're not about to hand over half the island to Turkey on a plate. The time for that came and went in 2004. It's over. GCs don't give up so easily. Haven't you Turks realised that by now?

You wait till there are 2 million Turks breathing down your neck from the trnc....You will realise a thing or two then...

Birkibrisli, with the exception of one or 2 individuals the GC's/Greeks of this forum are the worst kind of people I've ever had the misfortune of communicating with. Your posts are enlightening and to the point, yet they are too blinkered or just plain blind to see and all they can do is insult and attack. I sometimes cant help thinking they deserve all they got, all that they are going to get, and more.

Hi,Alan...

In my angry moments I too think all Cypriots deserve exactly what they got...but some deserve it more than others....The fools on this forum are constant reminders of why we are in this predicament...And what we need to do to get out of it....Trust,understanding,respect followed by empathy and compassion...They will all realise we are in the same boat and we will sink or swim together...Lets hope we are both alive to see that day....

[Piratis]

I have a lot of time to waste at the moment,so I am here to see how stupidly you are wasting yours...You have tried this before,getting everything your way,by hook or by crook,and look where it got you...I am trying to stop you from committing hara kiri,because I love my country and my countymen and women...I have little tolerance for fools however...You have been warned...

Greek Cypriots need no lessons on what is good for them. GCs avoided suicide with the discredited Annan Plan. We're EU citizens now and our expectations are much much higher. We fought hard to get our sovereignty recognised and guaranteed and we're not about to hand over half the island to Turkey on a plate. The time for that came and went in 2004. It's over. GCs don't give up so easily. Haven't you Turks realised that by now?

You wait till there are 2 million Turks breathing down your neck from the trnc....You will realise a thing or two then...

What are we going to realize Bir? From where I stand I can not feel the breath of any Settlers since they are all in one part of Cyprus and I am in another. If we had accepted the Annan plan 10s of thousands of them would be free to roam our streets and neighborhoods while we would still not be able to stop more of them coming as the north coast of Cyprus would not be controlled by us but by the puppets of Turkey, the same ones who allow the Settlers to enter Cyprus now, the same ones who never cared about legality.

Having illegal Settlers in one part of Cyprus is very bad. Legalizing 10s of thousands of them (and giving to them the voting power to take decisions for us), allowing them to roam the whole island while at the same time still not being able to control their influx, is even worst.

Unless you are planning to invade Cyprus again then the number of Settlers will affect only the daily life of TCs, not ours. And since it is now clear that the Cyprus problem can not be solved with negotiations that means that either the problem will never be solved, in which case we will continue to live just in the south part of the island and the Settlers in the north (the TCs will go extinct), or that at some point in the future the balance of power will change and we will liberate our island by force, in which case what will matter is the number of armed Turkish soldiers, not the unarmed Settlers which we can easily deal with regardless of how many they are.

[Piratis]

I have a lot of time to waste at the moment,so I am here to see how stupidly you are wasting yours...You have tried this before,getting everything your way,by hook or by crook,and look where it got you...I am trying to stop you from committing hara kiri,because I love my country and my countymen and women...I have little tolerance for fools however...You have been warned...

Greek Cypriots need no lessons on what is good for them. GCs avoided suicide with the discredited Annan Plan. We're EU citizens now and our expectations are much much higher. We fought hard to get our sovereignty recognised and guaranteed and we're not about to hand over half the island to Turkey on a plate. The time for that came and went in 2004. It's over. GCs don't give up so easily. Haven't you Turks realised that by now?

You wait till there are 2 million Turks breathing down your neck from the trnc....You will realise a thing or two then...

Birkibrisli, with the exception of one or 2 individuals the GC's/Greeks of this forum are the worst kind of people I've ever had the misfortune of communicating with. Your posts are enlightening and to the point, yet they are too blinkered or just plain blind to see and all they can do is insult and attack. I sometimes cant help thinking they deserve all they got, all that they are going to get, and more.

If I was liked by a criminal, racist piece of shit like yourself I would be very disappointed. So I really hope I am not included in those 1-2 individuals that a disgusting person like yourself likes.

[Piratis]

I have a lot of time to waste at the moment,so I am here to see how stupidly you are wasting yours...You have tried this before,getting everything your way,by hook or by crook,and look where it got you...I am trying to stop you from committing hara kiri,because I love my country and my countymen and women...I have little tolerance for fools however...You have been warned...

Greek Cypriots need no lessons on what is good for them. GCs avoided suicide with the discredited Annan Plan. We're EU citizens now and our expectations are much much higher. We fought hard to get our sovereignty recognised and guaranteed and we're not about to hand over half the island to Turkey on a plate. The time for that came and went in 2004. It's over. GCs don't give up so easily. Haven't you Turks realised that by now?

You wait till there are 2 million Turks breathing down your neck from the trnc....You will realise a thing or two then...

Birkibrisli, with the exception of one or 2 individuals the GC's/Greeks of this forum are the worst kind of people I've ever had the misfortune of communicating with. Your posts are enlightening and to the point, yet they are too blinkered or just plain blind to see and all they can do is insult and attack. I sometimes cant help thinking they deserve all they got, all that they are going to get, and more.

Hi,Alan...

In my angry moments I too think all Cypriots deserve exactly what they got...but some deserve it more than others....The fools on this forum are constant reminders of why we are in this predicament...And what we need to do to get out of it....Trust,understanding,respect followed by empathy and compassion...They will all realise we are in the same boat and we will sink or swim together...Lets hope we are both alive to see that day....

What I support is: One united Cyprus where all Cypriots are equal citizens with a real democracy (one person one vote) without any racist discriminations, without segregation and without human rights violations.

What you support is: Legalizing the division of Cyprus and the ethnic cleansing, an undemocratic system that discriminates people based on their ethnicity and institutionalizing human rights violations with derogations from the EU acquis.

You have no respect to even our most basic human and democratic rights, let alone any empathy, compassion and understanding. You turned out to be as bad as people like AlanwithoneL, and that is the lowest of the low.

[Viewpoint]

What you support Piratis with GCs at the helm and TCs in the mix will not work, GCs cannot be trusted to rule along lines that will give them a free hand to do as they wish, thats why BBF with strong guarantees is vital if a solution is desired. One point I agree with you on is that negotiations will not produce a solution and we will each continue on as we are fighting our own corner, as for your swing of power ideology you should also take into consideration that it could also swing further the other way.

[B25]

What you support Piratis with GCs at the helm and TCs in the mix will not work, GCs cannot be trusted to rule along lines that will give them a free hand to do as they wish, thats why BBF with strong guarantees is vital if a solution is desired. One point I agree with you on is that negotiations will not produce a solution and we will each continue on as we are fighting our own corner, as for your swing of power ideology you should also take into consideration that it could also swing further the other way.

VP, you are forgetting one very important point is all of this. It is not YOU (the TCs) we have to convince but your invader Turkey. The TCs are insignificant. We are not negotiating with YOU, we are negotiating with a terrorist state and as most civilised countries know you should not negotiate with terrorists.

To answer one of Bananas point, the reason the international community, UN/UK/US and others have not jumped on the HR, Int Law violations bandwagon in support of us, is because much of this mess is of their own making and they want it this way. They want to control Cyprus. The only ammunition that the RoC has now is being a member of the EU and this has stuffed the UK/US/Turkey from getting away with more murder.

Since the announcement of Hydrocarbons, did you notice the tune change??? Un until then it was Turkey this, Turkey that, now we have a differnt rytheme.

Oh yes my dear partitionists (VP, Banana, Birkturk et al), the tide has surely changed. The political landscape is being reshaped as we speak, terrorist states have no place in the EU and the sooner they see this and cut her (turkey) loose the better for all.

1. Turkey out of Cyprus
2. Settlers out of Cyprus (all of them)
3. Full return of refugee properties on both sides.
Then we can negotiate a deal with the TCs. Enough water has passed under the bridge, we can still do it, but that depends on Turkey because as I said the TCs are nothing.

[Piratis]

What you support Piratis with GCs at the helm and TCs in the mix will not work, GCs cannot be trusted to rule along lines that will give them a free hand to do as they wish, thats why BBF with strong guarantees is vital if a solution is desired. One point I agree with you on is that negotiations will not produce a solution and we will each continue on as we are fighting our own corner, as for your swing of power ideology you should also take into consideration that it could also swing further the other way.

Something which is undemocratic, racist and against the human rights of the majority of the population is not a solution. Your demands make a negotiated solution impossible.

Regarding the balance of power all I can say is: We will see. One thing you can take for granted is that we will never write off our lands and we will be back whenever we find the chance, regardless if this chance will come in 10 years or 300 years.