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Re: Back to the "Last Chance" policy.

Postby AWE » Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:44 am

Get Real! wrote:
AWE wrote:but GR will oil get TR out of Cyprus?

Oil, when managed correctly has been known to do far greater things than that…


For the sake of all Cypriots lets hope it is managed well but I fear that it will not be and as such not remove TR from Cyprus.

I need to be clear as many members think I support TR - I do not like the Turkish-Vegasisation of the north and want to see a settlement but feel this needs to be done in stages as there is little trust between the two sides. Additionally, I feel there is a political class on both sides that don't want a solution as they will then have to deal with the corruption and nepotism that is rife.

The problem is that a hydrocarbon based economy, with or without a solution, will not have to address the problems and as only Norway, of oil based economies, has correctly managed this I worry that Cyprus, with the already entrenched corruption and nepotism, is going to be hard pushed to manage it all correctly. The concern is that if it is badly managed this will not foster a cooperative atmosphere between the two sides, continue to push the north in to arms of TR, and so perpetuate the stalemate.

The RoC GDP is $23 billion or so, if the estimates are right and this doubles it is still small compared to say Istanbul at $122 billion or even the West Yorkshire of £46 billion.

The only way I can see a solution coming from the gas is if there is one before the gas flows and a pipeline connects to TR as a delivery route to Europe, if the alternative is an LNG plant then the investment in this will preclude a settlement as there will be no economic benefit of one.
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Re: Back to the "Last Chance" policy.

Postby BirKibrisli » Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:38 pm

Hermes wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:To get Turkey out of Cyprus you will need to find some balls...


We've done better than that. We've found some gas! :lol:


Great...You and GR can take all that gas and oil and blow it towards Turkey...That should do the trick! :lol:

The 74 solution is not my prefered solution...But Cypriots have proven they do not deserve anything better...Who am I to argue with them???
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Re: Back to the "Last Chance" policy.

Postby Sotos » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:01 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
Hermes wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:To get Turkey out of Cyprus you will need to find some balls...


We've done better than that. We've found some gas! :lol:


Great...You and GR can take all that gas and oil and blow it towards Turkey...That should do the trick! :lol:

The 74 solution is not my prefered solution...But Cypriots have proven they do not deserve anything better...Who am I to argue with them???


You are nobody. Your only use is when you are used along with thousands other barbarians to destroy everything in your path. Your only duty as a good Turk is not to think or talk but to generate more barbarians that can be send to invade others. Erdogan told you so when he illegally came to Cyprus some time ago ;)
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Re: Back to the "Last Chance" policy.

Postby Hermes » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:05 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
The 74 solution is not my prefered solution...But Cypriots have proven they do not deserve anything better...Who am I to argue with them???


So why are you wasting your time here? Greek Cypriots will not accept a legalised partition or a confederation and there is absolutely nothing that will convince them otherwise. The outline of a solution is self-evident. A federal unified state with human and democratic rights guaranteed for all citizens under the EU acquis with limited temporary derogations. A withdrawal of the Turkish army and the abolition of intervention rights by foreigners. If you think this is unreasonable then there is nothing to discuss. The broad outline of a solution was determined not by 1974 but by 2004 when Cyprus entered the EU. We are in no hurry to sign up to a bad deal. If this puts pressure on the TCs from Turkey's policies then so be it - they can always choose to make their feelings known instead of meekly acquiescing to their own demise.
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Re: Back to the "Last Chance" policy.

Postby BirKibrisli » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:17 pm

Sotos wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Hermes wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:To get Turkey out of Cyprus you will need to find some balls...


We've done better than that. We've found some gas! :lol:


Great...You and GR can take all that gas and oil and blow it towards Turkey...That should do the trick! :lol:

The 74 solution is not my prefered solution...But Cypriots have proven they do not deserve anything better...Who am I to argue with them???


You are nobody. Your only use is when you are used along with thousands other barbarians to destroy everything in your path. Your only duty as a good Turk is not to think or talk but to generate more barbarians that can be send to invade others. Erdogan told you so when he illegally came to Cyprus some time ago ;)


Yep,I agree... I am a Cypriot,so I am NOBODY....
The sooner you too realise this about yourself the better...
The Cypriot nation deserves to become extinct...We are our own worse enemy... :wink:
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Re: Back to the "Last Chance" policy.

Postby BirKibrisli » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:23 pm

Hermes wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
The 74 solution is not my prefered solution...But Cypriots have proven they do not deserve anything better...Who am I to argue with them???


So why are you wasting your time here? Greek Cypriots will not accept a legalised partition or a confederation and there is absolutely nothing that will convince them otherwise. The outline of a solution is self-evident. A federal unified state with human and democratic rights guaranteed for all citizens under the EU acquis with limited temporary derogations. A withdrawal of the Turkish army and the abolition of intervention rights by foreigners. If you think this is unreasonable then there is nothing to discuss. The broad outline of a solution was determined not by 1974 but by 2004 when Cyprus entered the EU. We are in no hurry to sign up to a bad deal. If this puts pressure on the TCs from Turkey's policies then so be it - they can always choose to make their feelings known instead of meekly acquiescing to their own demise.


I have a lot of time to waste at the moment,so I am here to see how stupidly you are wasting yours...You have tried this before,getting everything your way,by hook or by crook,and look where it got you...I am trying to stop you from committing hara kiri,because I love my country and my countymen and women...I have little tolerance for fools however...You have been warned...
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Re: Back to the "Last Chance" policy.

Postby Sotos » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:28 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
Sotos wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Hermes wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:To get Turkey out of Cyprus you will need to find some balls...


We've done better than that. We've found some gas! :lol:


Great...You and GR can take all that gas and oil and blow it towards Turkey...That should do the trick! :lol:

The 74 solution is not my prefered solution...But Cypriots have proven they do not deserve anything better...Who am I to argue with them???


You are nobody. Your only use is when you are used along with thousands other barbarians to destroy everything in your path. Your only duty as a good Turk is not to think or talk but to generate more barbarians that can be send to invade others. Erdogan told you so when he illegally came to Cyprus some time ago ;)


Yep,I agree... I am a Cypriot,so I am NOBODY....
The sooner you too realise this about yourself the better...
The Cypriot nation deserves to become extinct...We are our own worse enemy... :wink:


The Turks are the ones who are trying to make Cypriots extinct :evil: But you will not manage because at least half of our island is free. Unless you are looking for another excuse to invade the free part and kill everybody you missed in your previous invasions?
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Re: Back to the "Last Chance" policy.

Postby Hermes » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:34 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
I have a lot of time to waste at the moment,so I am here to see how stupidly you are wasting yours...You have tried this before,getting everything your way,by hook or by crook,and look where it got you...I am trying to stop you from committing hara kiri,because I love my country and my countymen and women...I have little tolerance for fools however...You have been warned...


Greek Cypriots need no lessons on what is good for them. GCs avoided suicide with the discredited Annan Plan. We're EU citizens now and our expectations are much much higher. We fought hard to get our sovereignty recognised and guaranteed and we're not about to hand over half the island to Turkey on a plate. The time for that came and went in 2004. It's over. GCs don't give up so easily. Haven't you Turks realised that by now?
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Re: Back to the "Last Chance" policy.

Postby BirKibrisli » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:03 pm

Hermes wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
I have a lot of time to waste at the moment,so I am here to see how stupidly you are wasting yours...You have tried this before,getting everything your way,by hook or by crook,and look where it got you...I am trying to stop you from committing hara kiri,because I love my country and my countymen and women...I have little tolerance for fools however...You have been warned...


Greek Cypriots need no lessons on what is good for them. GCs avoided suicide with the discredited Annan Plan. We're EU citizens now and our expectations are much much higher. We fought hard to get our sovereignty recognised and guaranteed and we're not about to hand over half the island to Turkey on a plate. The time for that came and went in 2004. It's over. GCs don't give up so easily. Haven't you Turks realised that by now?


You wait till there are 2 million Turks breathing down your neck from the trnc....You will realise a thing or two then...
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Re: Back to the "Last Chance" policy.

Postby B25 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:12 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
Hermes wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
I have a lot of time to waste at the moment,so I am here to see how stupidly you are wasting yours...You have tried this before,getting everything your way,by hook or by crook,and look where it got you...I am trying to stop you from committing hara kiri,because I love my country and my countymen and women...I have little tolerance for fools however...You have been warned...


Greek Cypriots need no lessons on what is good for them. GCs avoided suicide with the discredited Annan Plan. We're EU citizens now and our expectations are much much higher. We fought hard to get our sovereignty recognised and guaranteed and we're not about to hand over half the island to Turkey on a plate. The time for that came and went in 2004. It's over. GCs don't give up so easily. Haven't you Turks realised that by now?


You wait till there are 2 million Turks breathing down your neck from the trnc....You will realise a thing or two then...


Why not make it 20 million, makes no difference they are all, and will always be, illegal Anatolian gypsies like you are. You have made the scaremongering threats before, just like your motherland has been farting lately. In the end, you are all just full of shit. Bring em on Birkturk, we have no fear.
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