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Re: Back to the "Last Chance" policy.

Postby Hermes » Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:40 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
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Viewpoint wrote:Bir they will continue to play the democracy, freedom and human rights card for all its worth because they have nothing else to offer...


Human rights, democracy, freedom, EU citizenship plus a share of the island's potential oil and gas riches! Now you tell me that the average TC is going to prefer more misery, more unemployment, more isolation, more settlers and more of Turkey's false promises. Come off it, VP! Just how dumb do you think your fellow citizens are?



Administered by whom?


Who do you think?
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Re: Back to the "Last Chance" policy.

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:33 pm

GCs????
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Re: Back to the "Last Chance" policy.

Postby Hermes » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:42 pm

Viewpoint wrote:GCs????

Try again.
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Re: Back to the "Last Chance" policy.

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:45 pm

Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:GCs????

Try again.


Why not save us the time and say what you have to say.
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Re: Back to the "Last Chance" policy.

Postby Hermes » Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:24 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:GCs????

Try again.


Why not save us the time and say what you have to say.


How do other federal EU states administer themselves? Now do you think the TCs would rather accept democracy, human rights, freedom, EU citizenship and a share of the island's gas wealth under federal and EU administration? Or to carry on being administered by Erdogan and the Turkish army in an impoverished and isolated pirate state? I know which you would choose, but I'm curious what the TCs would choose - if given the choice of course.
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Re: Back to the "Last Chance" policy.

Postby Piratis » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:25 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Bir they will continue to play the democracy, freedom and human rights card for all its worth because they have nothing else to offer they conveniently forget and want us to that they will be in charge to do as they wish. Democracy and human rights in the wrong hands is a catastrophe for minorities and the GCs are the wrong hands. If we are to unite we need checks and balances, guarantee and assurances that neither side will step over the line, exploit, manipulate or dominate the other side.


In Cyprus we have many other minorities and we have problems with none of them. Therefore you are the problematic ones, not us. The wrong hands are the Turks. Just look at what they do to their minorities in Turkey. In fact many members of our Armenian Cypriot minority are people who fled from Turkey to save themselves from the genocide. In Cyprus they are equal Cypriot citizens.
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Re: Back to the "Last Chance" policy.

Postby Piratis » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:27 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Bir they will continue to play the democracy, freedom and human rights card for all its worth because they have nothing else to offer...


Human rights, democracy, freedom, EU citizenship plus a share of the island's potential oil and gas riches! Now you tell me that the average TC is going to prefer more misery, more unemployment, more isolation, more settlers and more of Turkey's false promises. Come off it, VP! Just how dumb do you think your fellow citizens are?



Administered by whom?


By the goverment which will be elected democratically by the Cypriot people.
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Re: Back to the "Last Chance" policy.

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:34 pm

Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:GCs????

Try again.


Why not save us the time and say what you have to say.


How do other federal EU states administer themselves? Now do you think the TCs would rather accept democracy, human rights, freedom, EU citizenship and a share of the island's gas wealth under federal and EU administration? Or to carry on being administered by Erdogan and the Turkish army in an impoverished and isolated pirate state? I know which you would choose, but I'm curious what the TCs would choose - if given the choice of course.


We need details and how the system would work for a united Cyprus, Kikapu put a plan forward which on face value looked fine but when analyzed it was seen to be a sell out plan that would allow the GCs the opportunity to take the 1 seat they need to take control of the upper house and therefore control of the whole island.

We need details, a jump of faith os not on the cards as what you offer give you the majority the right to do what ever you wish and the last time you tried that we all know what happened.
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Re: Back to the "Last Chance" policy.

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:42 pm

Piratis wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Bir they will continue to play the democracy, freedom and human rights card for all its worth because they have nothing else to offer they conveniently forget and want us to that they will be in charge to do as they wish. Democracy and human rights in the wrong hands is a catastrophe for minorities and the GCs are the wrong hands. If we are to unite we need checks and balances, guarantee and assurances that neither side will step over the line, exploit, manipulate or dominate the other side.


In Cyprus we have many other minorities and we have problems with none of them. Therefore you are the problematic ones, not us. The wrong hands are the Turks. Just look at what they do to their minorities in Turkey. In fact many members of our Armenian Cypriot minority are people who fled from Turkey to save themselves from the genocide. In Cyprus they are equal Cypriot citizens.


What are their percentages 1% 2% 3% does make much difference, we have a recent bad past and GCs are a revenge seeking people therefore unlike the other very small minorities who sided with GCs there is no trust between our two communities, you have to be made to administer democracy and human rights fairly and just, you cannot be give a free hand as you are not trusted due to your past record when dealing with TCs, if it should be proven that you have breached the rules you should pay a heavy price, this would be a very strong deterrent.
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Re: Back to the "Last Chance" policy.

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:44 pm

Piratis wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Bir they will continue to play the democracy, freedom and human rights card for all its worth because they have nothing else to offer...


Human rights, democracy, freedom, EU citizenship plus a share of the island's potential oil and gas riches! Now you tell me that the average TC is going to prefer more misery, more unemployment, more isolation, more settlers and more of Turkey's false promises. Come off it, VP! Just how dumb do you think your fellow citizens are?



Administered by whom?


By the goverment which will be elected democratically by the Cypriot people.


80% of which conveniently for you are GCs...we dont stand a chance.
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