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[Cap]

All boils down to this.

Albania, Kosovo unfortunately have been tainted and corrupted historically. Emphasis is placed on religion.

[Kikapu]

Actually it matters. No. 1 criteria for being eligible for EU membership: having land in Europe. And Greece was not eligible for Eurozone either. These tell a lot about how credible is EU. Now a small geography question for you: Which of the below is not in Europe?

a.Pristina
b.Skodra
c.Limassol
d.Edirne
e.Ohrid

Following your logic, Iceland should not be able to become an EU member either, but Turkey should, just because of land location. That being your parameters as to who is qualified to being a EU member or a European country, then surely UK, Ireland, Malta and Cyprus cannot be in the EU or a European country, but they are, and they are not even connected physically to the European land mass, so that blows your logic out of the water, does it not?

As GR stated, it is not about land connection to Europe what defines what country is a European, but it's culture, and I'm not talking about culture you find in Hellim/Hallumi.

Why didn't you address the rest of my post. Then again, if I were you, I wouldn't have done it either!

[kurupetos]

You cannot negotiate EU membership on behalf of TCs because you don't represent them.

Apparently they did because nobody recognizes "Turkish Cypriots" as anything other than what comes UNDER the RoC. Of course, you can FANTASIZE otherwise all you want… so feel free.

You entered EU as an Asian entity with mercy of Greece because they see you as their satellite in East med.

What's all this baloney?

So why don't you have any control over North Cyprus? Neither France nor Germany have sent any troops since 2004 and they will never do so you are very much on your own.

Because it's illegally occupied, you foolish twat.

Why dont you take it back then you powerless twat? What are you waiting for?

Jungle law attitude...typical Turkish twattery.
ΕΣΣΕΤΑΙ ΗΜΑΡ!

[supporttheunderdog]

just the half country. and we all know how they became EU members: by Greece blackmailing the EU that they will veto other candidates.

Where did you get that from? Do you have a credible link to back your claims?

For your info the RoC went through ALL the EU accession chapters and passed most with flying colors. Those in which she was lacking she had to introduce reforms and then passed.

...... except for the laws on when the shops can open and close and hold sales....

[Pippin]

Turkey only wants to be an EU member so that they can plunder other nations assets as they have always done.

[supporttheunderdog]

You cannot negotiate EU membership on behalf of TCs because you don't represent them. You entered EU as an Asian entity with mercy of Greece because they see you as their satellite in East med. half country presidency means nothing for North Cyprus and Turkey because you will find no one sitting at the table. So get over it.

1) Many Kibrilisi hold Cypriot passports: that makes them citizens of the Republic and entitles the government of the Republic to represent them: there is rank hypocrisy on the part of many Kibrilisi who claim they live in a separate secessionist state but want to claim all the rights of the Republic, including the benefit of mineral resources which if they were a separate state would fall outside of their EEZ as defined by Unclos. The ROC is otherwise internationally recognised by all but Turkey as the lawful government of the entire island and thus again has lawful authority to represent the whole island and present it to the EU.

2) can you point to any place where it says that what geographical or religious prerequisites there are for membership for the EU?

3) It is Turkey's loss if they chose to boycott talks: personally I would make it a condition of the continuation of any EU talks that Turkey fully recognises the ROC, including allowing Cypriot associated ships and planes access to Turkey, failing which the Customs union should be scrapped. I'd also cease paying any funds to Turkey or the secessionist puppet state it supports.

[kimon07]

Here is some Some Turko-European culture.

"Child rape case ends with unwelcome closure and no further appeal

Turkish women protest a high court decision that upheld a lower court ruling to reduce the jail sentence terms handed to 26 men who raped and sexually molested a 13-year-old over the course of seven months. (Photo: AA)

Turkey's top prosecutor's office has failed to appeal a high court decision that upheld a lower court ruling to reduce the jail sentence terms handed to 26 men who raped and sexually molested a 13-year-old over the course of seven months, concluding the much-debated case with frustration.

The Supreme Court of Appeals approved a decision in October by the Mardin 1st High Criminal Court to give 26 suspects, tried for raping a minor in the southeastern province of Mardin, sentences ranging from one to six years in a trial earlier this year. The local court had justified its decision based on the victim's alleged “consent” during sexual intercourse, sparking nation-wide outrage with many segments of society lashing out at the ruling.
There would have been a possibility of a reversal of the ruling by the Supreme Court of Appeals Criminal Council if the Supreme Court of Appeals Chief Prosecutor's Office had appealed the decision by the 14th Chamber of the Supreme Court of Appeals. However, the Radikal daily reported on Friday that the Supreme Court of Appeals Chief Prosecutor's Office has refused to file an appeal against the ruling on the grounds that the lower court's decision was based on the old Turkish Penal Code (TCK) as the crime was committed before 2005, when the TCK was amended to impose heavier sentence on convicts in such cases.
The decision by the top prosecutor's office to not appeal the high court's ruling effectively concludes the case, leaving no room for further legal action.
The case dates back to 2002 when the victim, identified as N.Ç., went to the Mardin Police Department to file a criminal complaint against the 26 men who raped her. The accused include civil servants, soldiers, a village head and teachers and they have claimed that they have been slandered and unjustly accused.
In the case filed against the men, the Mardin court handed down prison terms between one to slightly more than four years to the 26 men due to good behavior in the courtroom and the judges' decision that the victim willingly consented to the abuse. The court issued its ruling according to an earlier version of the TCK. According to Article 414 of the old TCK, men found guilty of raping someone under the age of 15 can be sentenced to at least 10 years, but their sentence may be reduced to at least five years if the minor consented to sexual intercourse, despite being underage."

[B25]

Have the family killed her yet.? Stoned her to death? Well I guess it is likely to follow as she also 'consented' FFS.

[kimon07]

So why don't you have any control over North Cyprus?

But we do have full control over North Cyprus. We have banned it from all international activities and isolated it from the rest of the world until Turkey moves out and until the puppet "state" of the North is denounced and dissolved.

We even have full control over Turkey in relation to her EU accession. It is up to us (and Greece) to approve or disapprove of any further progress.

As for Turkey being part of Europe, now. It is not one today but it can easily become one.
All it has to do is:

1. Adopt the Hellenic-Hellenistic/Roman Culture. It will only take you about 1.000 years to accoplish that.
2. Convert to Christianity. This will require another 1.000 years after the adoption of the Hellenic-Hellenistic/Roman Culture. So, all -in -all just about 2.000 years. Maximum. Nothing to it really. Trust me.
3. Get the hell out of Cyprus.
4. Recognize the Kurdish Nation and grant them their independence.
5. Recognize and protect the rights of all minorities, ethnic groups and religious groups of Turkey.
6. Recognize your crimes against Humanity (like the Genocide of the Armenians, of the Greeks of Pontos and of the Assyrians, the ethnic cleansing of Cypriots from North Cyprus etc) and apologize to the whole world for them.
7. Stop raping 13 year old children.
8. Stop punishing with death by stoning the 13 year old children for having been raped.
P.S. If you was not an ignorant Turk you would know that being a European and being part of "Europe" has nothing to do with geography. Americans, Canadians, Australians, even Latin Americans ARE "EUROPEANS". Turks are not and will never be (unless they follow the 8 steps listed above). Oh and by the way, how do you call "geo-graphy" in turkish? Can you analyse what geo-graphy and geo-logy and geo-thermy mean? what anthropo-logy is? what tele-phone, tele-grapf and tele-type mean? what thesis and hypo-thesis mean? Demo-cracy maybe? or Philo-sophy? Biblio-theque and Disco-theque? Com-pact?disc? Sphere? Cosmos? Polis and cosmo-politan?)
Well, if you can not analyse and explain what such words mean, if you can not explain to me why in your language you call telephone a telephone and not, let us say "doo doo" or "driiin-driiin", claiming you are a European is and IVRIS to the idea of Europe itself.

[bill cobbett]

OUT .... Bleeding .... RAGEOUS .... By definition a Minor cannot consent. Jees!