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[Bananiot]

You do not know my friends Piratis. You think you know them. But, I am more than willing to arrange a meeting and we can all discuss what we are debating here face to face. How about it?

You say you support:

... one truly united and democratic Cyprus without racist discrimination and divisions where the human rights of all Cypriots are fully respected! We do know for a fact that your TC friends are not just people who belong in this small minority.

That is grand! Very nice sounding solution proposition, the best in my opinion. Now, tell us how we can achieve this. Show us the practical way to go forward to get to this noble solution. You need to satisfy all the political parties in our side, which, with the exception of the nationalist EVROKO and fascist ELAM, have conceded that the only feasible solution is BBF. Show me a way forward and I will jump on your band wagon. All I am asking is a realistic and viable way to achieve what you say, which is of course miles better than what we got in 1959 too.

I think what you are saying is just plain populist jargon without any substance because it is the desirable you are after and not only this but, as history teaches us, going like mules after the desirable, can only bring more losses and pain.

[Get Real!]

Piratis,

You have only proven to be a EOKA-vita supporter masquerading as a democrat and upholder of HRs because the Human Rights violations on Cyprus were NOT exclusive to the invading Turks!

They were in fact initiated by atrocities and many HR abuses by Greece, and my father in law would love to tell you a story or two of what they did to him where they took him at the central prisons for 3 days!

He was only released when they heard the Turks had landed so he could be thrown on the northern front line while the Greek coupist cowards (your heroes) run south to catch the next ferry boat to Piraeus!

So give it up Piratis, because there is Greek fascist expansionism oozing from your corrupt brains!

The Greek-sponsored schooling coupled with your feeble sheep-like personality that is unable to reason without bias, has sealed off your fate! You know no better and cannot help yourself.

[supporttheunderdog]

You see, they cannot even tolerate a kind, wise, compassionate and constructive thought of a TC. These fascists (and this is what they are) would gladly put to bed all TCs, given half a chance. These are the people who have destroyed Cyprus, not Turkey and the TCs.

You are the fascist because you are a collaborator of the fascist Turkish invaders. Those who destroyed Cyprus are the Turks and those traitors who collaborate with them. If the Turks had never set their foot on our island Cyprus would have no such problems. It is the Turks who invaded our island over and over and brought their Settlers over and over trying to take our land. The Turkish "Cypriots" are the Turkish Settlers of previous Turkish invasions. The problem of Cyprus is the Turkish expansionism. The hate of the Cypriots against the invaders is just a natural reaction and only an idiot like you would not be able to see this and only a traitor like you would not hate those who invade our country!

IMHO apart from the Tur*s, who had active designs on Cyprus since the 50's, those who also greatly contributed to the destruction of Cyprus are the Traitorous Enosis loving coupists and their support for Greek expanionism!

[Get Real!]

You see, they cannot even tolerate a kind, wise, compassionate and constructive thought of a TC. These fascists (and this is what they are) would gladly put to bed all TCs, given half a chance. These are the people who have destroyed Cyprus, not Turkey and the TCs.

You are the fascist because you are a collaborator of the fascist Turkish invaders. Those who destroyed Cyprus are the Turks and those traitors who collaborate with them. If the Turks had never set their foot on our island Cyprus would have no such problems. It is the Turks who invaded our island over and over and brought their Settlers over and over trying to take our land. The Turkish "Cypriots" are the Turkish Settlers of previous Turkish invasions. The problem of Cyprus is the Turkish expansionism. The hate of the Cypriots against the invaders is just a natural reaction and only an idiot like you would not be able to see this and only a traitor like you would not hate those who invade our country!

IMHO apart from the Tur*s, who had active designs on Cyprus since the 50's, those who also greatly contributed to the destruction of Cyprus are the Traitorous Enosis loving coupists and their support for Greek expanionism!

But Sotos will never complain about that because he’s a fervent supporter of Greek expansionism!

The sad reality for them though is that not only will Greece never expand but they are in fact contracting pretty badly, and will be lucky to even have a piss-pot country by the end of this decade!

So drunk were these fools in their mythological aggrandizement that rational reasoning went out the window ages ago and now the sum of all their dumb actions has culminated to this historic gross failure of a deluded people.

Not that I’m complaining of course, it’s a wonderful blessing for Cyprus and Cypriotism and I now await for the Turkish equivalent to take place. Turkey will also follow in Greece’s footsteps for they have the same daft minds and illusions.

[Cap]

Turkey will also follow in Greece’s footsteps for they have the same daft minds and illusions.

mmm... wonder if Bananiot would class that as 'fascist'

[Piratis]

Piratis,

You have only proven to be a EOKA-vita supporter masquerading as a democrat and upholder of HRs because the Human Rights violations on Cyprus were NOT exclusive to the invading Turks!

They were in fact initiated by atrocities and many HR abuses by Greece, and my father in law would love to tell you a story or two of what they did to him where they took him at the central prisons for 3 days!

He was only released when they heard the Turks had landed so he could be thrown on the northern front line while the Greek coupist cowards (your heroes) run south to catch the next ferry boat to Piraeus!

So give it up Piratis, because there is Greek fascist expansionism oozing from your corrupt brains!

The Greek-sponsored schooling coupled with your feeble sheep-like personality that is unable to reason without bias, has sealed off your fate! You know no better and cannot help yourself.

I never supported EOKA B or the Greek Junta. Those people committed crimes and human right violations not just in Cyprus but in Greece as well, and that is why they were rightfully jailed for their crimes. Today and for several decades now Greece has a democratically elected government that does not violate any of our human rights. The coup in Cyprus lasted for a week, and the crimes committed by the coupists pale when compared to the crimes Turkey has committed and continues to commit against us as we speak. Still, if Turkey even now finally decides to respect Cyprus and our human rights I will forgive them for what happened in the past and I will not hold the future generations of Turks responsible for what the current and previous generations of Turks have done to us.

My reasoning abilities far exceed anything you are capable of and my education did not stop at schools in Cyprus. On the other hand it seems you only received some very basic education, and that education was offered to you in some foreign country in some foreign language which is why you didn't even learn some basic facts about our country and nation.

[Piratis]

You see, they cannot even tolerate a kind, wise, compassionate and constructive thought of a TC. These fascists (and this is what they are) would gladly put to bed all TCs, given half a chance. These are the people who have destroyed Cyprus, not Turkey and the TCs.

You are the fascist because you are a collaborator of the fascist Turkish invaders. Those who destroyed Cyprus are the Turks and those traitors who collaborate with them. If the Turks had never set their foot on our island Cyprus would have no such problems. It is the Turks who invaded our island over and over and brought their Settlers over and over trying to take our land. The Turkish "Cypriots" are the Turkish Settlers of previous Turkish invasions. The problem of Cyprus is the Turkish expansionism. The hate of the Cypriots against the invaders is just a natural reaction and only an idiot like you would not be able to see this and only a traitor like you would not hate those who invade our country!

IMHO apart from the Tur*s, who had active designs on Cyprus since the 50's, those who also greatly contributed to the destruction of Cyprus are the Traitorous Enosis loving coupists and their support for Greek expanionism!

How about if in the 50s the Cypriot people were allowed to democratically decide with a referendum the destiny of their own island, with the result most likly be union with the rest of Greece? If the Cypriot people wanted to be part of the Greek state would that be "Greek expansionism"? When West Germany and East Germany united because that is what the majorities of both populations wanted since the division was something forced by outsiders, was that a "German Expansionism"?

The expansionism in the case of Cyprus comes from Turkey and UK who want to take parts of our island under their rule against our will.

[Piratis]

You do not know my friends Piratis. You think you know them. But, I am more than willing to arrange a meeting and we can all discuss what we are debating here face to face. How about it?

You say you support:

... one truly united and democratic Cyprus without racist discrimination and divisions where the human rights of all Cypriots are fully respected! We do know for a fact that your TC friends are not just people who belong in this small minority.

That is grand! Very nice sounding solution proposition, the best in my opinion. Now, tell us how we can achieve this. The practical way to go forward to get to this solution. You need to satisfy all the political parties in our side, which, with the exception of the nationalist EVROKO and fascist ELAM, have conceded that the only feasible solution is BBF. Show me a way forward and I will jump on your band wagon. All I am asking is a realistic and viable way to achieve what you say, which is of course miles better than what we got in 1959 too.

I think what you are saying is just plain populist jargon without any substance because it is the desirable you after and not only this but, as history teaches us, going like mules after the desirable, can only bring more losses and pain.

The only reason we can not currently achieve a fair and just solution is because of the Turks. And that was EXACTLY my point. The GC political parties that accept a BBF accept it as a "painful compromise", because your Turkish friends have made it clear that they will not accept anything which is actually fair and just.

If you come and put a gun on my head and demand from me to give you all my money, I might agree to it, because refusing might indeed "bring more losses and pain" to me. But will agreeing to your demands mean that I will be your friend? Obviously no! Quite the contrary.

[GreekIslandGirl]

What a revealing thread.

The contrast between Bananiot's fantasy imaginings from one contrived photoshoot, his total belief in the words of our country's occupiers, TC-Turks, and the lack of value he places in the lawful, reasoned approaches from Piratis, should help us all identify how perilous it would be to abandon the only fair and right solution for the RoC - the complete removal of Turkish influence from our island.

Good stuff Piratis, AlexISS et al.

[supporttheunderdog]

You see, they cannot even tolerate a kind, wise, compassionate and constructive thought of a TC. These fascists (and this is what they are) would gladly put to bed all TCs, given half a chance. These are the people who have destroyed Cyprus, not Turkey and the TCs.

You are the fascist because you are a collaborator of the fascist Turkish invaders. Those who destroyed Cyprus are the Turks and those traitors who collaborate with them. If the Turks had never set their foot on our island Cyprus would have no such problems. It is the Turks who invaded our island over and over and brought their Settlers over and over trying to take our land. The Turkish "Cypriots" are the Turkish Settlers of previous Turkish invasions. The problem of Cyprus is the Turkish expansionism. The hate of the Cypriots against the invaders is just a natural reaction and only an idiot like you would not be able to see this and only a traitor like you would not hate those who invade our country!

IMHO apart from the Tur*s, who had active designs on Cyprus since the 50's, those who also greatly contributed to the destruction of Cyprus are the Traitorous Enosis loving coupists and their support for Greek expanionism!

How about if in the 50s the Cypriot people were allowed to democratically decide with a referendum the destiny of their own island, with the result most likly be union with the rest of Greece? If the Cypriot people wanted to be part of the Greek state would that be "Greek expansionism"? When West Germany and East Germany united because that is what the majorities of both populations wanted since the division was something forced by outsiders, was that a "German Expansionism"?

The expansionism in the case of Cyprus comes from Turkey and UK who want to take parts of our island under their rule against our will.

My underetsnding is that so called referendum was run by the Church and did not involve a properly run secret ballot, but the voters were compelled to publically show how thay had voted. note the most democratic way to conduct a poll

I would like also to point out that in the period from about 1871 to 1945 both parts of Germany were part of one unified modern national state, but Cyprus has never been a part of the modern state of Greece.

As far as I can see the attachment to Greece is founded on the increasingly suspect theory that Cypriots are descended from Mycenaean invaders/conquerors who came in about 1200-1100 BC (and for whom it is likely a myth of peaceful colonistion has been developed) and an emotional attachement to some idealised version of 4th Century BC Greece or the Byzantine Empire, which finally vanished in 1453.

IMHO the reality of Enosis would not be union of equals but a subsummation of Cyprus by Greece which would have left Cyprus as a backward peasant agiculture / tourism based economy with probably fewer better paid jobs in manufaturing, service industries or government than exist today. Many firms in particular banks and insurance companies would probbaly be run from Athens. There would have been no benfit for anyone to invest in Cyprus as they have done, and clearly investing in Greece was not attractive - why did people set up companies here and not in Greece? Take away those jobs these companies provide, including head office jobs in Cypriot based banks etc., and what is left? Tourism and Agriculture? Low paid clerical jobs (and probbaly few of them)and some middle-management jobs (but a lot fewer)? So you sell you sell yourself for an ilusion.

One can talk about protection by being a part of a bigger stronger state but big brother palianly did not provide any protection to Cyprus. I suspect that any attempt at Enosis since the mid 1950's would have resulted in invasion of Cyprus by Turkey and possibly an Aegean war between Greece and Turkey. The invasion nearly happened probably twice in the period 1963-67 and actually happened in 1974 when the Junta lead coup resulted in Invasion but the Aegean war did not as neither Greece nor Turkey were then ready willing to openly take each other on in a war - indeed with the collapse of the Junta Greece was probabaly in too much internal politcal termoil to fight a war, while Turkey did not want the hassle and besides Turkey had acheived a key aim, namely a military presence in Cyprus preventing what they saw as a Greek stanglehold over their Southern coast.