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[Bananiot]

For me that will only ever come when there is a solution that both sides embrace and there is something like a truth and reconciliation commission that will get the 2 communities to accept the rights and wrongs of the past and then hopefully getting the TC's and GC's to live in peace and harmony.

What a beautiful thought AlanwithoneL. The Piratis's of this forum cannot even appreciate such talk.

[B25]

For me that will only ever come when there is a solution that both sides embrace and there is something like a truth and reconciliation commission that will get the 2 communities to accept the rights and wrongs of the past and then hopefully getting the TC's and GC's to live in peace and harmony.

What a beautiful thought AlanwithoneL. The Piratis's of this forum cannot even appreciate such talk.

You two should get a room and spare us the thought.

Dare anyone speak out against the TCs and risk the wrath of Banana man. Hade re kouchombi.

[Bananiot]

You see, they cannot even tolerate a kind, wise, compassionate and constructive thought of a TC. These fascists (and this is what they are) would gladly put to bed all TCs, given half a chance. These are the people who have destroyed Cyprus, not Turkey and the TCs.

[alexISS]

As for my followers, let's just say they're a lot more than yours and those of Piratis put together!

Given that, since I'm not a delusional, megalomaniac PAPARAS, I have no followers of any sort, that's not the achievement you'd hoped for, is it?

I guess that’s one way of softening the blow Alexis, when you’ve made no impact on anyone after 5 years of posting!

I see Alzheimer's has taken a heavy toll on you... I already told you, I have no such desires. I do seem to have had quite an impact on you however, you know with you turning into a rabid dog after a little teasing

Now how about commenting on the rest of my previous post? How can you live with yourself, preaching of the great Cypriot nation while incapable of putting two words of the language together?

[Sotos]

You see, they cannot even tolerate a kind, wise, compassionate and constructive thought of a TC. These fascists (and this is what they are) would gladly put to bed all TCs, given half a chance. These are the people who have destroyed Cyprus, not Turkey and the TCs.

You are the fascist because you are a collaborator of the fascist Turkish invaders. Those who destroyed Cyprus are the Turks and those traitors who collaborate with them. If the Turks had never set their foot on our island Cyprus would have no such problems. It is the Turks who invaded our island over and over and brought their Settlers over and over trying to take our land. The Turkish "Cypriots" are the Turkish Settlers of previous Turkish invasions. The problem of Cyprus is the Turkish expansionism. The hate of the Cypriots against the invaders is just a natural reaction and only an idiot like you would not be able to see this and only a traitor like you would not hate those who invade our country!

[Piratis]

You are a hypocrite Piratis, a proven one. You talk about morals and human rights and violations and you generally ride the high cloud of morality or at least you want us to believe so. But, you mustn't forget that you were found out. Measured and weighed and double standards is your game. The fact is you can never be trusted and given half a chance you will revert to your old self. Remember the story with the Palestinians, with whom you compared us with. In no time at all and before the ink had time to dry, you switched allegiance and suddenly you started seeing things form the Israeli perspective. You Piratis have lost all credibility and one can never take for granted what you say.

You are the hypocrite and you are the one who is using double standards and I am now going to prove it (yet again).

My position was always based on principles and it is unchanged.

I support the liberation of the occupied part of Cyprus and in the same way I support the liberation of the occupied Palestinian lands. Where are the double standards?

I recognize the right of Palestinians to collaborate with Turkey if they believe that this will help them solve their problem and in the same way I recognize the right of Cyprus to collaborate with Israel if we believe that this will help solve our problem. Where are the double standards?

Obviously the Palestinians care far more for Palestine than they care for Cyprus, and similarly we obviously care more about Cyprus than we care for Palestine. After all it is the Palestinians who first accepted help from Turkey and were then out in the streets flying the Turkish flags. Or did you forget about this?

So no hypocrisy or double standards from me. But now let me point the obvious double standards and hypocrisy coming from you:

You are trying to excuse the Turkish occupation of Cyprus by blaming the Greek Cypriots because a few of us reacted to the Turkish violent aggression against us and responded with violence. But you do not do the same when it comes to the Palestinians. The Palestinians responded FAR more violently than we ever did, and they continue to respond with violence, which includes suicide bombers, taking hostages, launching missiles in Israeli cities etc etc. And yet you never said that it is the Palestinians, and not the Israelis, who are to be blamed for the problem there, like you do in the case of Cyprus. Double standards

So you have now yet again been shown to be hypocrite who employees double standards.

On the other hand my principles remain unchanged. I support a free Palestinian state as I always did, and at the same time I support the interests of my our country (not on the expense of any other) as I always did. Our collaboration with Israel is welcomed, just like the Palestinians would welcome a collaboration with Turkey, but this doesn't make me forget the wrong doings of Israel. Neither I am one of those who will go around flying the Israeli flag, since I know that Israel's interest in Cyprus is also just for serving their own interests at this time, and there is nothing to say that in a few years they will not be best friends with Turkey again.

And by the way, your double standards and hypocrisy are not exhausted only in the comparison between Cyprus and Palestine. You employee double standards and hypocrisy all the time. Another one of your double standards was exposed earlier in this thread when Wyoming pointed out how you always blame the whole GC community for the actions of a few GCs (e.g. EOKA B), but you do not blame the whole TC community for the actions of a few TCs (e.g. TMT).

I would have said that you lost all credibility, but you didn’t have any to begin with. I doubt you even make an effort to be credible. All you care about is to say things that sound nice to your Turkish friends. You tell them the baseless nonsense that they want to hear so they will like you. You are really pathetic!

[Cap]

Bananiot as a kid.

[Bananiot]

As you know Piratis, I have many, treasured, TC friends. For you they are just Turks (all dogs the same, as the infamous fascist slogan goes) and all my TC friends (I know no mainland Turkish person) have the same aspiration for Cyprus. One country, sovereign with one international representation with no foreign armies and refugees. The settlers to be reduced to a mere minimum and the two community sharing this country for the benefit of all, peacefully and with compassion and solidarity for each other. This is what I stand for and this is what my TC friends want, sometimes at a huge risk to their lives. We have solved the Cyprus issue a long time ago. Nationalist hatred is totally absent from our world, even Cypriot nationalism of the type GR supports. Cap, like all true fascists, thinks that I will be offended when he portrays me as a Turk. For these people it is a cardinal sin to be born a Turk. You cannot get more stupid than this.

[Piratis]

As you know Piratis, I have many, treasured, TC friends. For you they are just Turks (all dogs the same, as the infamous fascist slogan goes) and all my TC friends (I know no mainland Turkish person) have the same aspiration for Cyprus. One country, sovereign with one international representation with no foreign armies and refugees. The settlers to be reduced to a mere minimum and the two community sharing this country for the benefit of all, peacefully and with compassion and solidarity for each other. This is what I stand for and this is what my TC friends want, sometimes at a huge risk to their lives. We have solved the Cyprus issue a long time ago. Nationalist hatred is totally absent from our world, even Cypriot nationalism of the type GR supports. Cap, like all true fascists, thinks that I will be offended when he portrays me as a Turk. For these people it is a cardinal sin to be born a Turk. You cannot get more stupid than this.

We know the views of several of your friends as they posted here so you can not fool us. They support the official division of Cyprus with the north part becoming Turkish and with limits to any Greek Cypriots returning who would then be guests to what they see as their Turkish state (even though the native population has been Greek for millennia until they ethnically cleansed us in 74). They support forced segregation, racist discriminations and derogations from the EU aquis, that would help them maintain and increase the unfair privileges that were imposed on us in 1960, as if Cyprus is still an Ottoman district where the Muslims can have more rights and the Christians should be second category people.

One thing is if, after being blackmailed and with no better options, we are forced to accept some of those things in order to find some sort of a solution (what we call "BBF - the painful compromise"), and a whole another thing is to consider as our friends those who blackmail us and want to force us to accept such disgusting things.

Not all Turks or TCs are the same, but the vast majority of them are, since there is not even one of their major political parties that supports anything very different. Their views range from disgusting to absolutely appalling, and there is only a tiny minority of them who support one truly united and democratic Cyprus without racist discriminations and divisions where the human rights of all Cypriots are fully respected! We do know for a fact that your TC friends are not just people who belong in this small minority.

[Bananiot]

You do not know my friends Piratis. You think you know them. But, I am more than willing to arrange a meeting and we can all discuss what we are debating here face to face. How about it?

You say you support:

... one truly united and democratic Cyprus without racist discrimination and divisions where the human rights of all Cypriots are fully respected! We do know for a fact that your TC friends are not just people who belong in this small minority.

That is grand! Very nice sounding solution proposition, the best in my opinion. Now, tell us how we can achieve this. The practical way to go forward to get to this solution. You need to satisfy all the political parties in our side, which, with the exception of the nationalist EVROKO and fascist ELAM, have conceded that the only feasible solution is BBF. Show me a way forward and I will jump on your band wagon. All I am asking is a realistic and viable way to achieve what you say, which is of course miles better than what we got in 1959 too.

I think what you are saying is just plain populist jargon without any substance because it is the desirable you after and not only this but, as history teaches us, going like mules after the desirable, can only bring more losses and pain.