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Re: GOD FORBID!

Postby Get Real! » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:25 pm

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Piratis wrote:The Junta in Greece came to power by force, not by the votes and the support of the Greek people. The Greek people gave the answer to what you are asking not just with words, but with actions, by jailing the junta generals for life.


Moreover, the Junta's puppet in Cyprus, Sampson, was elected by the Cypriot people. In other words, the coup was more "legalized" in Cyprus than in Greece.

Are you saying that when a minister commits treason against his country it automatically excuses Human Rights violations conducted by the offender (Greece) because it is considered a "inside job"?
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Re: GOD FORBID!

Postby Piratis » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:26 pm

No invasion is justified, I am pointing out to the fact that we brought on the invasion by ourselves, by our sheer stupidity. When I say we, I mean of course the nationalists, who wanted to annihilate the TC community which they saw as an obstacle for their greater aspirations to unite Cyprus with Greece.


You are again repeating the lies of the Turkish propaganda. The fact is that no TC was killed in 1974 until after Turkey with the help of TCs invaded Cyprus.

It is the TCs who had demanded our annihilation from half of our island since the 50s. It is them who went in the streets shouting "Partition or death". It is them who initiated the conflict from the 1950s. So get your facts right.

The only thing we ever asked for was for the TC minority to stop acting as our Ottoman overlords and respect the democratic choices of the Cypriot people. Nothing more than this.
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Re: GOD FORBID!

Postby alexISS » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:28 pm

Read below GR and tell us which one of the two coupists was backed by the people

Dimitrios Ioannidis, the Greek coupist:

Ioannidis took an active part in planning and executing the coup d'etat of 21 April 1967, but despite his great power he preferred to stay in the shadows allowing George Papadopoulos to take the limelight. He thus gained the nickname "the Invisible Dictator". Ioannidis became chief of the Greek Military Police (ESA) which he developed into a feared paramilitary force of more than 20,000 men. The ESA men brutally hunted down and tortured political dissidents. They also became notorious for beating and insulting their nominal superiors, the Generals of the Greek Army, who were generally royalist or republican and opposed to the junta leadership [4].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitrios_Ioannidis

Nikos Sampson, the Cypriot coupist:

In 1970 Sampson became a member of the Parliament of Cyprus as a founder and leader of one of the main parties of Cyprus, the Progressive Party (Proodeftikoi). In a poll, Sampson's Party was voted second most popular in Famagusta district and fourth overall. In 1971, EOKA head George Grivas returned to Cyprus and gave the campaign for enosis further momentum, forming EOKA B whose goal was enosis. To the dismay of President Makarios, who advocated independence, the government, police and military forces quickly became infiltrated with supporters of EOKA-B. Following the death of Grivas in January 1974, the Greek military junta of 1967-1974 gave active support to EOKA-B. Nikos Sampson maintained a strong nationalist, pro-Greek position throughout these years, earning himself positive and negative feedback at the same time and marking himself as a figure of controversy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikos_Sampson
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Re: GOD FORBID!

Postby alexISS » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:32 pm

Get Real! wrote:
alexISS wrote:
Piratis wrote:The Junta in Greece came to power by force, not by the votes and the support of the Greek people. The Greek people gave the answer to what you are asking not just with words, but with actions, by jailing the junta generals for life.


Moreover, the Junta's puppet in Cyprus, Sampson, was elected by the Cypriot people. In other words, the coup was more "legalized" in Cyprus than in Greece.

Are you saying that when a minister commits treason against his country it automatically excuses Human Rights violations conducted by the offender (Greece) because it is considered a "inside job"?


I'll answer with a question:
Why is Greece the offender, and not Ioannides?
And why is Sampson the traitor, and not Cyprus?

Why should the wrongdoings of a dictator be the wrongdoings of Greece, while the treason of Sampson is all his own?
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Re: GOD FORBID!

Postby Get Real! » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:33 pm

alexISS wrote:Read below GR and tell us which one of the two coupists was backed by the people...

I fail to see what you're getting at...

Are you by any chance attempting to provide justification for Greece's Human Rights violations on Cyprus?
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Re: GOD FORBID!

Postby alexISS » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:39 pm

Get Real! wrote:
alexISS wrote:Read below GR and tell us which one of the two coupists was backed by the people...

I fail to see what you're getting at...

Are you by any chance attempting to provide justification for Greece's Human Rights violations on Cyprus?


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Re: GOD FORBID!

Postby Get Real! » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:42 pm

alexISS wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
alexISS wrote:
Piratis wrote:The Junta in Greece came to power by force, not by the votes and the support of the Greek people. The Greek people gave the answer to what you are asking not just with words, but with actions, by jailing the junta generals for life.


Moreover, the Junta's puppet in Cyprus, Sampson, was elected by the Cypriot people. In other words, the coup was more "legalized" in Cyprus than in Greece.

Are you saying that when a minister commits treason against his country it automatically excuses Human Rights violations conducted by the offender (Greece) because it is considered a "inside job"?


I'll answer with a question:
Why is Greece the offender, and not Ioannides?
And why is Sampson the traitor, and not Cyprus?

Why should the wrongdoings of a dictator be the wrongdoings of Greece, while the treason of Sampson is all his own?

That "dictator" was the OFFICIAL government of Greece for 7 whole years so if you're prepared to accept all the good things that government did right then you must also accept all the wrong things!

You do NOT pick and choose which actions were of Greece and which were of "Ioannides" as you please! It was the Greek government period!

The world does not work like that because two can play at that game and justify themselves too!

ie: Turkey can say… “We did not invade and occupy anyone! The military did it!”

How do you like THAT you idiotic clown?

You think you’re the only “clever” one on this planet?
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Re: GOD FORBID!

Postby alexISS » Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:00 pm

Ioannides was not elected, he was imposed. Sampson, the Cypriot coupist, was not only elected, he was THE LEADER OF THE MOST POPULAR PARTY in Cyprus at the time.

The "Greek state" during the junta years was as legal as the Vichy government. Get it, captain?

Now get lost.
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Re: GOD FORBID!

Postby Piratis » Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:10 pm

Get Real! wrote:
alexISS wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
alexISS wrote:
Piratis wrote:The Junta in Greece came to power by force, not by the votes and the support of the Greek people. The Greek people gave the answer to what you are asking not just with words, but with actions, by jailing the junta generals for life.


Moreover, the Junta's puppet in Cyprus, Sampson, was elected by the Cypriot people. In other words, the coup was more "legalized" in Cyprus than in Greece.

Are you saying that when a minister commits treason against his country it automatically excuses Human Rights violations conducted by the offender (Greece) because it is considered a "inside job"?


I'll answer with a question:
Why is Greece the offender, and not Ioannides?
And why is Sampson the traitor, and not Cyprus?

Why should the wrongdoings of a dictator be the wrongdoings of Greece, while the treason of Sampson is all his own?

That "dictator" was the OFFICIAL government of Greece for 7 whole years so if you're prepared to accept all the good things that government did right then you must also accept all the wrong things!

You do NOT pick and choose which actions were of Greece and which were of "Ioannides" as you please! It was the Greek government period!

The world does not work like that because two can play at that game and justify themselves too!

ie: Turkey can say… “We did not invade and occupy anyone! The military did it!”

How do you like THAT you idiotic clown?

You think you’re the only “clever” one on this planet?


GR, lets not start a discussion about who is clever and who is a clown ;)

The government of Turkey (which is elected with the votes of the majority of Turks) fully supports the actions of the Turkish army in both the invasion and the occupation of Cyprus. When have you heard any democratically elected government of Greece supporting the actions of the generals of the Junta?

Ioannides represents Greeks as much as Samson represents you. They are both people who came to power by force and not by being democratically chosen by the people.
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Re: GOD FORBID!

Postby Get Real! » Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:11 pm

It’s what I’ve been trying to tell everyone for years… Greece has conducted both a short-lived PHYSICAL and long-term MENTAL invasion/occupation of Cyprus by cooking the history books and brainwashing a considerable number of our people into constantly betraying their country!

And for what???

For nothing! Just so that the once-great Cypriots can remain some insignificant stupid “community” on fucked up land!

How stupid can a people possibly get? Try Guinness Book of Records level!

The great Cyprus, which was the pride of the Mediterranean… that great kingdom that was part of the cradle of civilization now reduced to some bankrupt country’s prostitute?

And what kind of country is that? Albanians, Ottomans, Bulgarians, Gypsies, and Slavs have come together to form a “nation” and alter history… and you took it all in hook, line, and sinker???

Useless clowns the lot of you unworthy of your great ancestors! :evil:
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