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[repulsewarrior]

...ah!, it's not the flags.

God Forbid is directed to the flag waving Nationalists...

...thanks for clearing that up Mr. B.

[Bananiot]

Of course Repulse. Pyrpolyser fell into the loophole the nationalists dug. The idea that intelligent students studying at a top educational institution such as Oxford, got together shoving ethnic animosity aside is a blessing for me and it shows the way forward. It does not solve the Cyprus issue but building trust is a good thing for Cyprus.

[GreekIslandGirl]

What a fool. He posts a photoshoot of forced-togetherness, with FLAGS at the forefront, and then decries the 'nationalists' who notice the flags, when all the while - it was the FLAGS which drew his very own attention to the students, in the first place. Supposedly, making a point that flags come first with 'nationalists' whilst all the while demonstrating to us his now firmly established DOUBLE standards!

P.S ... I'm sure he searched frantically for his beloved "trnc" flag ....

[Sotos]

What a fool. He posts a photoshoot of forced-togetherness, with FLAGS at the forefront, and then decries the 'nationalists' who notice the flags, when all the while - it was the FLAGS which drew his very own attention to the students, in the first place. Supposedly, making a point that flags come first with 'nationalists' whilst all the while demonstrating to us his now firmly established DOUBLE standards!

P.S ... I'm sure he searched frantically for his beloved "trnc" flag ....

Nobody would object to this picture if Bananiot told us it was a Greek a Turk and a Cypriot.

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[halil]

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I was at Oxford and this is what I came across at the University's Freshers' Fair

A Personal Web-Site Dedicated to Greek-Turkish Peace & Cooperation

http://dimos.tripod.com/grtr.html

[halil]

b25.jpg

I was at Oxford and this is what I came across at the University's Freshers' Fair

A Personal Web-Site Dedicated to Greek-Turkish Peace & Cooperation

http://dimos.tripod.com/grtr.html

Greek-Turkish Friendship is on Facebook

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=4095339587

[GreekIslandGirl]

Greek-Turkish Friendship is on Facebook

Yes, yes, yes, halil, harpy ... we get it! We are ALL friends NOW because you have taken nearly half our country and are happy. Yes, we MUST all be happy now! The Turks have what they always wanted!!!!

[Hermes]

One way Turkey can show trust and goodwill is by removing its troops and settlers from Cyprus. How is occupying northern Cyprus - in breach of international law and UN resolutions - a gesture of friendship in the region? How on earth are Greek Cypriots supposed to have any confidence in Turkey's intentions when Turkish troops still occupy their lands and prevent them from reclaiming their homes? Where is Turkish goodwill in Cyprus? Have I missed something?

[yialousa1971]

[aikhme]

You do not know my friends Piratis. You think you know them. But, I am more than willing to arrange a meeting and we can all discuss what we are debating here face to face. How about it?

You say you support:

... one truly united and democratic Cyprus without racist discrimination and divisions where the human rights of all Cypriots are fully respected! We do know for a fact that your TC friends are not just people who belong in this small minority.

That is grand! Very nice sounding solution proposition, the best in my opinion. Now, tell us how we can achieve this. The practical way to go forward to get to this solution. You need to satisfy all the political parties in our side, which, with the exception of the nationalist EVROKO and fascist ELAM, have conceded that the only feasible solution is BBF. Show me a way forward and I will jump on your band wagon. All I am asking is a realistic and viable way to achieve what you say, which is of course miles better than what we got in 1959 too.

I think what you are saying is just plain populist jargon without any substance because it is the desirable you after and not only this but, as history teaches us, going like mules after the desirable, can only bring more losses and pain.

Your posts within this thread appear quite insipid. They lack basic principles and values which have been fought for in many nations. Before you continue on this debate, you need to cease these disingenuous ramblings and do some soul searching from within. You need to reconcile whether you wish to legalise the present partition of Cyprus to another de jure state of affairs which violate Europe's basic freedoms, namely:

Human dignity is inviolable. It must be respected and protected

Everyone has the right to own, use, dispose of and bequeath his or her lawfully acquired
possessions. No one may be deprived of his or her possessions, except in the public interest and in
the cases and under the conditions provided for by law, subject to fair compensation being paid in good
time for their loss. The use of property may be regulated by law in so far as is necessary for the general
interest

Everyone is equal before the law

Any discrimination based on any ground such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic
features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority,
property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientation shall be prohibited

Within the scope of application of the Treaty establishing the European Community and of the
Treaty on European Union, and without prejudice to the special provisions of those Treaties, any
discrimination on grounds of nationality shall be prohibited

Every citizen of the Union has the right to move and reside freely within the territory of the
Member States

Freedom of movement and residence may be granted, in accordance with the Treaty establishing
the European Community, to nationals of third countries legally resident in the territory of a Member
State

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/charter/pdf/text_en.pdf

That is grand! Very nice sounding solution proposition, the best in my opinion. Now, tell us how we can achieve this. The practical way to go forward to get to this solution. You need to satisfy all the political parties in our side, which, with the exception of the nationalist EVROKO and fascist ELAM, have conceded that the only feasible solution is BBF. Show me a way forward and I will jump on your band wagon. All I am asking is a realistic and viable way to achieve what you say, which is of course miles better than what we got in 1959 too.

How can this be achieved? Well, we require leaders with integrity, principles, and values and these leaders by virtue of their principles and values must demand that the European Union’s Basic Freedoms are at the core of any solution that may be put before the people. If something entirely different is put to the people, such as the Annan Plan, then the Cypriot people will reject it, as would anyone who shares the very same principles and values which seem to be absent from your way of thinking, and perhaps absent from your TC friends you keep company with.

If Turkey or the TCs can't accept these principles and values, and wish to deny us these Human Rights, then there will not be a solution and the current Status Quo will be maintained until such time they become ready and start acting like Europeans or some other developments occur in our fluid and ever changing region.

We can never live with the TCs in a State where the most basic Human Rights are denied to the GCs. The partition will not be legalised. It is far better to have the current Status Quo, and with de jure legality over ALL of Cyprus, than to lose this and be second class citizens on OUR island.