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[Hermes]

I maybe also a Traitor because I blame the victim but what can I do ?

What a horrible and deeply shameful thing to say. Where is your dignity, man? How can you come on to a public forum and make such a statement? I am lost for words. Truly.

[Bananiot]

What Piratis fails to understand is that in 2003 there were 3000 settlers in the occupied parts. Now this number has risen to half a million, by some accounts. Every day that passes without solution is another nail in our (all Cypriots) coffin. Patriotic talk is nice but it does nothing towards solving our problem. In fact it only makes it worse. Present day situation is nothing like we had in the past, when there were no states but lands to occupy. Piratis and foul-mouth B25 have nothing to offer to Cyprus. In them I recognise the same mentality that brought disaster to Cyprus. I invite both of them to come out of the closet and debate this issue face to face. With an audience if they so wish.

[AlanwithoneL]

What Piratis fails to understand is that in 2003 there were 3000 settlers in the occupied parts. Now this number has risen to half a million, by some accounts. Every day that passes without solution is another nail in our (all Cypriots) coffin. Patriotic talk is nice but it does nothing towards solving our problem. In fact it only makes it worse. Present day situation is nothing like we had in the past, when there were no states but lands to occupy. Piratis and foul-mouth B25 have nothing to offer to Cyprus. In them I recognise the same mentality that brought disaster to Cyprus. I invite both of them to come out of the closet and debate this issue face to face. With an audience if they so wish.

The mentioned are not just a disgrace to Cyprus but a disgrace to the human race. These people are educated and yet they are so rude, they carry so much hatred. They have no consideration for others. I find it very strange that they can go to bed and sleep at night. If I used such foul language and directed so much insults at any individual I would go to bed kicking myself for doing it, it would upset me for a long time and I would feel ashamed. They obviously lack common decency.

[Mikiko]

It would not surprise me in the slightest if you and Banana were not one and the same.

yeah, lets all accept the annan plan so that Banana and miki mouse man can be happpy about it, just to please their turkish masters.

Hade re, vlaka. You are a disgrace to all decent GCs with your defeatist attitude (just like bananas). You spare no thought for us, but wish to see the otherside prosper at our expense. Its not enough we have to deal with those that would see us enslaved, but we now have to deal with the resident traitors as well, FFS.

Have I spoken about the Anan Plan IDIOT ?. .I spoke about a semi Independent State like what GR has posted many times .Some Idiots of course who can not comprehend simple english try to overgenerilise .

VLAKA the Anan plan has been voted by our ex president Clerides and Vasiliou and many other respected people among GCs . Has been suported by GReece back in 2004 by EU by US and by UN . What is wrong with you and you can not hear the word . Maybe the next plan will be in accordance with your taste we still have hopes. Just say that you hate anything Turkish . Just I also dislike hypocrites who are there for their own benefit and have destroyed the country beacsue they wanted power money and greed . Idiot .

You do not have a formula to end the Turkish occupation but you are siting comfortable and doing nothing this is treason the palestinians are still fighting . You have also benefoted from partition and you dont give a shit about all the rest. Selfish hypocrite.

Do you think I have the power to influence the majority to accept any type of settlement hypocrite fool ? Or I dont have anything better to do .

Hade time to take your tablets.

[Mikiko]

I maybe also a Traitor because I blame the victim but what can I do ?

What a horrible and deeply shameful thing to say. Where is your dignity, man? How can you come on to a public forum and make such a statement? I am lost for words. Truly.

Another intelligent professor on the forum . You took one line to make a point and you failed to comment on the rest ? Bravo Bravo

[Hermes]

What Piratis fails to understand is that in 2003 there were 3000 settlers in the occupied parts. Now this number has risen to half a million, by some accounts. Every day that passes without solution is another nail in our (all Cypriots) coffin. Patriotic talk is nice but it does nothing towards solving our problem. In fact it only makes it worse.

Two points. If there were 3000 settlers in 2003 how is it that the Annan Plan allowed for 50,000 to remain under agreement? Further, the "estimate" that there are half a million settlers in the occupied north today is misleading. Reliable projections range from 100,000-160,000 settlers. Too many I agree. As do most Turkish Cypriots by the way. Regardless, the majority of settlers would have to return under any proposed settlement.

Secondly, every day without a solution is difficult for both sides. But that is no reason to accept a bad solution, like the Annan Plan in 2004, which even independent analysts concede would have led to a legalised partition. In other words, we would be worse off than we are now. Better the current unofficial partition with the chance of a better solution under the EU acquis in the future than a formal partition with no hope and the end of ROC sovereignty for good.

Most Greek Cypriots voted against the Annan Plan with a heavy heart. We deserved a just solution. But the Annan Plan was a lousy solution since discredited. Its rejection was a democratic decision and in my view the right decision. You should accept the outcome and move on which you seem singularly incapable of doing.

[Hermes]

Another intelligent professor on the forum . You took one line to make a point and you failed to comment on the rest ? Bravo Bravo

With all respect, Mikiko, the rest of what you said didn't make much sense.

[Mikiko]

Another intelligent professor on the forum . You took one line to make a point and you failed to comment on the rest ? Bravo Bravo

With all respect, Mikiko, the rest of what you said wasn't worth commenting on.

This line has no meaning on its own If you dont associate with the other parts of the post so its meaningless . There was no reason to comment alone on this line .

[B25]

...... in 2003 there were 3000 settlers in the occupied parts.

Read my signature. You support these violations that why you are popular with your turkish masters.

[Bananiot]

Hermes, thanks for the input. In 2004 the Annan Plan permitted 50K to remain. That is true, but you must take note of the children born to mixed marriages. Basically the settlers that would have remained were those that had married Cypriot ladies and had a family. These people (excuse my expression) do breed a lot. They are rather productive and while I can give you the benefit of the doubt about the present day numbers, we need to bear this in mind, plus the tens that come on a regular basis and stay as workers in the beginning but eventually remain for good.

The Annan Plan was debated a great deal here in this forum and elsewhere. One needs to take into account the period before the referendum when the late Papadopoulos won the elections on the promise that he will work hard to solve the Cyprob on the basis of the Annan plan. In the beginning, after he was voted in, he showed a lot of urgency towards this effect and went so far as to send an urgent message to the UN General Secretary (Dc 2003) asking him to arbitrate between the two sides. After this, he did his best to ensure that the Annan plan was as bad as it could get for our side (refused staunchly to ask for Karpasia etc, when it was there for the taking) so that he would ask for a huge "no", especially after the plan was daemonised by all those that did not want a solution based on BBF. He promised the GCs that a better plan was to come from the EU and thus there was no need to vote for the AP.

My problem with this is that the Cyprus problem remains unsolved and those who do not stomach BBF have nothing else to put forward that could be described as a feasible and practical way forward. We are hopelessly stuck in the impasse that has prevailed since and as all sensible politicians across the political spectrum often remind us, the situation gets worse as time goes by. The idea that we can wait for the balance of power to change is frightening and it is a nightmare scenario for all Cypriots as this will no doubt lead to the Turkification of Cyprus.

Like I said to Piratis, if you have any idea of how we can go forward, let us have it and we can debate it.