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[Cap]

And, why should Greece and Turkey, Turks and Greeks, forever be at each others throat? Haven't the nationalists, from both sides, quenched their thirst for blood all these years? Can we not now, with the apparent blessing of mother nature, make a new start and forge an eastern Mediterranean of peace and prosperity for all? Problems can be solved with mutual concessions, understanding and good faith. Is this too much to ask? Once we shed the mistrust that exists and friendship sinks in, then the sky is the limit.

Banana, you need to get your facts right. is it Cyprus that invaded Turkey? Is it Greece that violates Turkish airspace, Is it Cyprus or Greece that threatens its neighbors with military ation? NO!

You need to pass on your advice to your turkish masters, for when they leave us the F alone, perhaps we could all begin to live in peace and harmony.

Stop mixing Cyprus and Greece in Turkeys shit FFS.

Erdogan and Co needs some bananiot lecturing.
But instead of trolling T***kish forums, he's out here bashing the victim.

[Piratis]

Turkey is probbaly herr arising out of a feeling of distrust of Greece and Megalistic Ideas - they sey Cyprus as a Stategic location, control of which by Greece would povide opportunties for Greece to impose a stranglehold over their entire Southern Coast.

For this reason any attempt at Enosis, in particular once Turkey had recovered from the Economic effects of the 2nd World War was likely to result in agressive action to prevent Enosis or at least neutralise it by Partition.

This failure to take into account Turkey's concerns was a key factor in the events from 1950 onwards and each time you spout on about Enosis or recovery of lands in Western Anatolia the more you contribute to their insecurities and to the continued occupation of Cyprus.

That is akin to saying that Russia would be excused to invade the Baltic countries if she felt that her interests were threatened by those countries joining EU and NATO.

The fact is that what we choose for our own island is non of Turkey's business and if Turkey uses her military in order to impose on us anything then that is an inexcusable crime.

[Piratis]

And, why should Greece and Turkey, Turks and Greeks, forever be at each others throat? Haven't the nationalists, from both sides, quenched their thirst for blood all these years? Can we not now, with the apparent blessing of mother nature, make a new start and forge an eastern Mediterranean of peace and prosperity for all? Problems can be solved with mutual concessions, understanding and good faith. Is this too much to ask? Once we shed the mistrust that exists and friendship sinks in, then the sky is the limit.

To make a new start it will require from Turkey to end her illegalities and crimes against us and respect our human and democratic rights and the sovergnity of Cyprus and Greece. When she does this we will have no objection to a new start. Many foreign rulers past from Cyprus and when they gave up all their claims over our island our relationship was normalized and we are now on friendly terms. The same can happen with Turkey, but it is up to the Turks, not up to us.

I am not sure what you mean by "mutual concessions" but we can concede that we will not occupy any part of Turkey.

[AlanwithoneL]

And, why should Greece and Turkey, Turks and Greeks, forever be at each others throat? Haven't the nationalists, from both sides, quenched their thirst for blood all these years? Can we not now, with the apparent blessing of mother nature, make a new start and forge an eastern Mediterranean of peace and prosperity for all? Problems can be solved with mutual concessions, understanding and good faith. Is this too much to ask? Once we shed the mistrust that exists and friendship sinks in, then the sky is the limit.

To make a new start it will require from Turkey to end her illegalities and crimes against us and respect our human and democratic rights and the sovergnity of Cyprus and Greece. When she does this we will have no objection to a new start. Many foreign rulers past from Cyprus and when they gave up all their claims over our island our relationship was normalized and we are now on friendly terms. The same can happen with Turkey, but it is up to the Turks, not up to us.

I am not sure what you mean by "mutual concessions" but we can concede that we will not occupy any part of Turkey.

This is probably one of the few posts that I would consider reasonable from Piratis. Please continue this Piratis as your typical posts with nothing but insults and hatred for TC'Turks are just unpleasant reading.

[B25]

And, why should Greece and Turkey, Turks and Greeks, forever be at each others throat? Haven't the nationalists, from both sides, quenched their thirst for blood all these years? Can we not now, with the apparent blessing of mother nature, make a new start and forge an eastern Mediterranean of peace and prosperity for all? Problems can be solved with mutual concessions, understanding and good faith. Is this too much to ask? Once we shed the mistrust that exists and friendship sinks in, then the sky is the limit.

To make a new start it will require from Turkey to end her illegalities and crimes against us and respect our human and democratic rights and the sovergnity of Cyprus and Greece. When she does this we will have no objection to a new start. Many foreign rulers past from Cyprus and when they gave up all their claims over our island our relationship was normalized and we are now on friendly terms. The same can happen with Turkey, but it is up to the Turks, not up to us.

I am not sure what you mean by "mutual concessions" but we can concede that we will not occupy any part of Turkey.

This is probably one of the few posts that I would consider reasonable from Piratis. Please continue this Piratis as your typical posts with nothing but insults and hatred for TC'Turks are just unpleasant reading.

As you obviously are too stupid to notice, but this is what piratis has always been saying. He has always advocated the respect of our human and democratic rights and against racial and ethnic discrimination, but the Turks are so blinded by their greed to take Cyprus they (you) don't see that.

Way to go Pirati, knock em dead.

[AlanwithoneL]

And, why should Greece and Turkey, Turks and Greeks, forever be at each others throat? Haven't the nationalists, from both sides, quenched their thirst for blood all these years? Can we not now, with the apparent blessing of mother nature, make a new start and forge an eastern Mediterranean of peace and prosperity for all? Problems can be solved with mutual concessions, understanding and good faith. Is this too much to ask? Once we shed the mistrust that exists and friendship sinks in, then the sky is the limit.

To make a new start it will require from Turkey to end her illegalities and crimes against us and respect our human and democratic rights and the sovergnity of Cyprus and Greece. When she does this we will have no objection to a new start. Many foreign rulers past from Cyprus and when they gave up all their claims over our island our relationship was normalized and we are now on friendly terms. The same can happen with Turkey, but it is up to the Turks, not up to us.

I am not sure what you mean by "mutual concessions" but we can concede that we will not occupy any part of Turkey.

This is probably one of the few posts that I would consider reasonable from Piratis. Please continue this Piratis as your typical posts with nothing but insults and hatred for TC'Turks are just unpleasant reading.

As you obviously are too stupid to notice, but this is what piratis has always been saying. He has always advocated the respect of our human and democratic rights and against racial and ethnic discrimination, but the Turks are so blinded by their greed to take Cyprus they (you) don't see that.

Way to go Pirati, knock em dead.

I'm a TC so of course to you I would be stupid. Thank you for the insult.

I'm well aware of what Piratis's ideals are. My problem is the insults and hatred that are uncalled for within his posts, just like your posts that always contain insults and hatred toward your fellow men. If you are claiming to be Europeans and civilised then why not show it by debating without insulting and hating me?

[Hermes]

I'm a TC so of course to you I would be stupid. Thank you for the insult.

I'm well aware of what Piratis's ideals are. My problem is the insults and hatred that are uncalled for within his posts, just like your posts that always contain insults and hatred toward your fellow men. If you are claiming to be Europeans and civilised then why not show it by debating without insulting and hating me?

You have clearly mis-read Piratis' posts. His posts are always reasonable and well-argued. He can speak for himself but I find it very odd that you'd think otherwise.

The vast majority of G/Cs start from the premise that the Turkish occupation is unjust, unlawful, an affront to our dignity and full of hatred towards us. In response some T/Cs here maintain that we are to blame for the occupation. i.e. for the injustice DONE TO US. Turning us from victims of the occupation to having been culpable for it! Akin to blaming the Armenians for their own genocide. A typically Turkish slur! Can you imagine what it's like to endure such a vile and disgusting insult? If you add insult to injury you should not be surprised if you get insulted back. Stop the insult of blaming us for the occupation then we see where we go from there....

[Piratis]

And, why should Greece and Turkey, Turks and Greeks, forever be at each others throat? Haven't the nationalists, from both sides, quenched their thirst for blood all these years? Can we not now, with the apparent blessing of mother nature, make a new start and forge an eastern Mediterranean of peace and prosperity for all? Problems can be solved with mutual concessions, understanding and good faith. Is this too much to ask? Once we shed the mistrust that exists and friendship sinks in, then the sky is the limit.

To make a new start it will require from Turkey to end her illegalities and crimes against us and respect our human and democratic rights and the sovergnity of Cyprus and Greece. When she does this we will have no objection to a new start. Many foreign rulers past from Cyprus and when they gave up all their claims over our island our relationship was normalized and we are now on friendly terms. The same can happen with Turkey, but it is up to the Turks, not up to us.

I am not sure what you mean by "mutual concessions" but we can concede that we will not occupy any part of Turkey.

This is probably one of the few posts that I would consider reasonable from Piratis. Please continue this Piratis as your typical posts with nothing but insults and hatred for TC'Turks are just unpleasant reading.

Alan, here I write true facts and I express my true feelings. My aim has never been to write what would sound pleasing to you (that is what Bananiot is for). As Hermes said, the great insult here is the Turkish occupation of 1/3rd of Cyprus, the ethnic cleansing, the human rights violations and the unjust demands of the Turkish side.

Would you love somebody who supports the violation of your most basic human rights? Personally I am neither a masochist nor Jesus, and I naturally hate those who show such disrespect to me. Unfortunately the leaderships of both Turkey and TCs, which are elected by the majority of voters, have shown a great disrespect to us and this is why they are rightfully hated. They are not hated because of their ethnicity, but because of what they support. Similarly if a British, Russian, Greek, French, Brazilian etc etc supports the violation of our rights he will also be hated just as much as any Turk/TC with the same beliefs would.

There are some Turks and TCs (unfortunately a tiny minority) who do not support the crimes against us. Kikapu is a great example of such a person. For these people I have nothing but respect, and I admire them for being able to see what is just and fair even though it goes against the official line of the Turkish side.

So it is up to you personally if you will be hated by GCs or not. We will judge you based on your position. If you respect us and our rights then you will receive respect from us as well. If you support things that do not respect us and are in violation of our human and democratic rights, then you will not receive any respect from us either.

[Mikiko]

Some people want to have a proper state not a Semi Independent State with no National Anthem With two flags with No Ethnicity . Others are the Traitors Who deny the country to function like a Proper State with own identity . I agree with bananiot as long as we accept the wrongdoings of the past these will never change and the problem will be perpetuated until a fully division is materialed and with two states side by side . Some people are very happy with this development because they get an allergy with anything Turkish . Maybe If you follow Bananiot aproach you may convince Turkey that we really deserve a fully democratic state but with these attitude this wont happen. We tried the attitude of the patriots and it Failed. Give others lectures of patritiism and Treason. I maybe also a Traitor because I blame the victim but what can I do ?

I agree with Bananiot because he follows the right path .

[B25]

Some people want to have a proper state not a Semi Independent State with no National Anthem With two flags with No Ethnicity . Others are the Traitors Who deny the country to function like a Proper State with own identity . I agree with bananiot as long as we accept the wrongdoings of the past these will never change and the problem will be perpetuated until a fully division is materialed and with two states side by side . Some people are very happy with this development because they get an allergy with anything Turkish . Maybe If you follow Bananiot aproach you may convince Turkey that we really deserve a fully democratic state but with these attitude this wont happen. We tried the attitude of the patriots and it Failed. Give others lectures of patritiism and Treason. I maybe also a Traitor because I blame the victim but what can I do ?

I agree with Bananiot because he follows the right path .

It would not surprise me in the slightest if you and Banana were not one and the same.

yeah, lets all accept the annan plan so that Banana and miki mouse man can be happpy about it, just to please their turkish masters.

Hade re, vlaka. You are a disgrace to all decent GCs with your defeatist attitude (just like bananas). You spare no thought for us, but wish to see the otherside prosper at our expense. Its not enough we have to deal with those that would see us enslaved, but we now have to deal with the resident traitors as well, FFS.