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[Bananiot]

No invasion is justified, I am pointing out to the fact that we brought on the invasion by ourselves, by our sheer stupidity. When I say we, I mean of course the nationalists, who wanted to annihilate the TC community which they saw as an obstacle for their greater aspirations to unite Cyprus with Greece.

By the way, Greece invaded Asia Minor in 1919 and the same nationalists that condemn the Turkish invasion of Cyprus, justify quite readily the Greek invasion of Turkey. For them there are "good" and "bad" invasions. Now, they also justify all invasions of Israel in Arab lands, because the enemy of our enemy is our friend. They are also quick to voice their solidarity for the cause of the Kurds, but if Turkey and the Kurds were to reach a peaceful solution to their issues, these nationalists will hate the guts of the Kurds. Almost forgot to mention that these sorry nationalists have now found another friend in Assad, the butcher of his own people. Can you guess why?

[Piratis]

So this is what is all about Piratis.

Lets just forget unimportant things such as the occupation of our country, the ethnic cleansing, the destruction of our cultural heritage and all the crimes that the Turks are committing against us as we speak, and lets fly the flag of the invader next to ours and let everybody know that there is no problem whatsoever. They might violate our most basic human rights and the sovereignty of our country, but "God forbid" if we make them feel any guilt about it. They should feel free and totally comfortable to continue to rape our island without even the tiniest of consequences.

For you, all the Turks are the same, rapists, thieves, criminals etc. This perhaps explains the fact that when we had a serious issue with TMT we took it out on the ordinary TCs, murdering, demoralising, denigrating and degrating them. Pushing the ordinary, decent TC into the warm embrace of TMT for protection from the killing fiends who had no moral barriers and on top got our warm applause for their patriotic acts of shame.

You have already pushed all these at the back of your mind Piratis. You want the world to believe that Turkey simply woke up one morning and said "lets invade Cyprus today" but the international community and many GCs are thinking critically now and have long stopped believing in the lies we have been served with since birth. So, your attitude, "us good guys, them bad guys" really does not convince any serious person in this world, except the light headed fascists that sporadically appear and reside in this forum.

Interesting how you quoted only the first part of what I wrote, while you left out the second part that didn't suit your position.

Not all Turks or TCs are the same. There are exceptions, like Kikapu. But most of them are indeed theiving criminals, like Halil for example. Haven't Ecevit, Erdogan, Denktash and Eroglou being elected with the votes of the majority of Turks/TCs? Just like Hitler was elected by the majority of Germans and the majority of Germans were Nazis back then, the same goes with the Turks. Most of them are indeed people who support the invasion and occupation of other countries and they are looking for excuses to violate the human and democratic rights of others. I met Turks in person and we met many Turks and TCs here in the forum and we know this for a fact.

And no, the Turks didn't wake up one day and decided to invade Cyprus. They had been planning the invasion and the partition of Cyprus for more than 15 years, and that is no secret. All their actions from the mid 50s until 74 were in preparation of the invasion, the ethnic cleansing and the partition of Cyprus, and that includes the initiation of the inter-communal conflict. Turkey invaded Cyprus to serve her own interests. They gave the same excuse that Hitler gave when he invaded Czechoslovakia.

As it was said earlier, you have no problem to blame the whole GC population for the actions of a few GCs which reacted to TC provocations, but you object of blaming Turkey and the Turks for the far worst actions of the fascist governments which they elect time and time again with their votes!

[alexISS]

first you say...

No invasion is justified

and then you justify the invasion:

I am pointing out to the fact that we brought on the invasion by ourselves, by our sheer stupidity.

This was Ecevit's argument too, Bananiot. You make it look like poor Turkey was left with no other option.
It's one thing to say that your (our) behavior gave an excuse to an already aggressive Turkey and another to voluntarily take all the blame, in the vain hope that the other side may do the same.

By the way, Greece invaded Asia Minor in 1919 and the same nationalists that condemn the Turkish invasion of Cyprus, justify quite readily the Greek invasion of Turkey. For them there are "good" and "bad" invasions.

They're not different to me. Both invasions were unjustified acts of aggression.

[Bananiot]

Basically we agree Alex, what I am saying is that we provided Turkey with the pretext to invade. Remember Turkey was (is) a guarantor for the RoC. Those who provided the pretext appear now to be the super patriots who struggle (sic) to liberate Cyprus. This I cannot stomach.

[alexISS]

Basically we agree Alex, what I am saying is that we provided Turkey with the pretext to invade. Remember Turkey was (is) a guarantor for the RoC. Those who provided the pretext appear now to be the super patriots who struggle (sic) to liberate Cyprus. This I cannot stomach.

I don't think Piratis is an EOKABitas Bananiot. Labeling *most* of your compatriots as fascists is as helpful as them accusing you of being a traitor

[Bananiot]

That is a different issue. We can debate this if you like later.

[alexISS]

That is a different issue. We can debate this if you like later.

Sure, but just to be clear: I'm not one of those who consider you a traitor, although I deeply disagree with many of your views

[Bananiot]

Fair enough but subjective views do not really interest me. I' d much rather you tell me where you disagree and perhaps you can show me where I am wrong. I have been known to change my opinion quite readily if needed, you know. Similarly, I cannot pretend I know your stance on the Cyprus issue but I am willing to listen. I presume you were referring on the Cyprob.

[Kikapu]

Basically we agree Alex, what I am saying is that we provided Turkey with the pretext to invade. Remember Turkey was (is) a guarantor for the RoC. Those who provided the pretext appear now to be the super patriots who struggle (sic) to liberate Cyprus. This I cannot stomach.

That's right, Bananiot, Turkey is/was a guarantor for the RoC, but as it turns out, Turkey did not guarantor anything to do with the RoC, but instead took part of the RoC for herself (so she thinks) and not for the sake of the TCs.

I'm also curious as to how/why Turkey ended up being a guarantor for the RoC. Same goes for Greece. I can see perhaps for the UK being a guarantor for a limited time after Cyprus gained her independence, but Turkey washed her hands off Cyprus with the Lausanne Treaty back in 1923. The fact that the way the 1960 constitution was drafted in the way it was drafted, which included outsiders like Turkey and Greece as guarantors for the islands Territorial integrity along with the UK, there had to be understanding of the minds between the 3 guarantor powers and the USA, that Cyprus's future was to be partitioned 3 ways at some point after 1960. The 1960 constitution was the vehicle to achieve that goal, which it partially worked but not 100%, which is why Turkey finds herself in the difficult predicament that she is in regarding the RoC, specially since 2004. The fact that everything did not go as planned and some guarantor powers took it upon themselves to help themselves to however much they can get from Cyprus to become theirs is another matter, so you are correct when you state that Turkey did not wake up one morning to invade Cyprus to put a claim for her share of the bounty, because she had been staying awake for a long time for the opportunity to do so, along with Greece. UK already had/have their share already, so they just stood by and watched as things happened. They didn't get too greedy as the other two. Fortunately for the RoC, the whole island's territorial integrity is protected by the UN and now with the EU, which is more than I can say about our so called, "trusted" guarantors.

[Mikiko]

What is a MISTERY is how Cyprus declared independence without a national anthem on its own . Many people are so sensitive with human rights violations from Turkey but they are happy to NOT Have a national anthem as a country . Which means they are hypocrites not that they are sensitives of their human rights violations.