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[SKI-preo]

the rest were barbarians – barbaroi, those people who speak foreign languages that sound like "bar, bar, bar".

...I KNEW my mother in law is a barbarian!

[Get Real!]

Cyprus cannot survive as a mere shadow of some mythology from afar, so the complete destruction of these mythology propagators emanating from Greece is absolutely vital for her future.

Your ancestors would be turning in their graves to hear you describing their culture and heritage as a "mere shadow of Hellenism." What an insult to believe that Cypriotness is some kind of diluted alien influence when it is the expression of a unique identity formed in the teeth of struggle. Cyprus is a unique expression of Hellenism. It doesn't have to look anywhere for its justification. It only has to look within.

My ancestors are the well known Cypriot Chirokitians (με 5 οκαες αρτσιθκια) and I assure you that they’re very proud of their descendant who pays homage to them on a regular basis.

Your ancestors on the other hand are anybody’s guess, but with an alias like ”Hermes” its quite likely that you have Spartan fantasies.

Perhaps you watched the movie once too many but anyway that's your problem, the bottom line is that we are talking about two different people here because unlike you I’m 100% Cypriot.

[Hermes]

My ancestors are the well known Cypriot Chirokitians

Until we arrived from Mycenae and put an end to your nonsense.

[Get Real!]

My ancestors are the well known Cypriot Chirokitians

Until we arrived from Mycenae and put an end to your nonsense.

I’m glad you finally admit to being part of foreign invaders who regarded our precious Cypriot heritage as “nonsense” and set about to erase who we really are with your Greek baloney!

Thanks.

[Hermes]

My ancestors are the well known Cypriot Chirokitians

Until we arrived from Mycenae and put an end to your nonsense.

I’m glad you finally admit to being part of foreign invaders who regarded our precious Cypriot heritage as “nonsense” and set about to erase who we really are with your Greek baloney!
Thanks.

No, GR. I was being ironic. You do know that there might not have been an Achaean conquest of Cyprus? What makes you think there was? Just because a bunch of 19th Century German academics told you about ancient Greeks who were superior, highly civilized humans, who would be more than able to “visit” less sophisticated peoples in remote places like Cyprus, conquer them and establish colonies? Doesn't that sound familiar coming from a German?

Also, GR, you do know that the "eteo-Cypriots" thesis was vigorously advocated by the British colonial authorities in Cyprus to discredit rising Greek nationalism in Cyprus? The only possible way that this could be achieved was through the identification of an ancient 'autochthonous' population that had remained largely unaffected by more recent colonization and immigration and would thus make ancient Cyprus look less Hellenic.

So just clear your head of German and British propaganda for a moment. Isn't it more likely that the Aegean newcomers didn't come as subjugators - nor did they arrive in large numbers - but they existed alongside the native Cypriots who didn't feel threatened by them? Furthermore they felt at home in Cyprus while the native population didn't fear them as intrusive or alien? Eventually trading activity between Cyprus and the Aegean became widespread and that ethnic/cultural identity in Ancient Cyprus became quite fluid leading to the Hellenisation of Cyprus not through conquest but through a gradual process of trade and cultural exchange.

Cyprus became Hellenised gradually as the native population adapted to the environment around them. They survived and adapted quite happily. Cypriots became Greek and the Aegeans became Cypriots. And we are where we are today: as Greek Cypriots. Now try and be happy with who you are and don't do the foreigners' dirty work for them. It's unbecoming.

[Get Real!]

Hermes, in case you’re not aware the typical Greek gymnasium thesis is always… “According to tradition” and NEVER based on any fact, so you’re just repeating whatever was implanted in your head according to Greek tradition!

Anyway, the notion of a “Hellenisation of Cyprus” is a load of childish rubbish for many reasons and I’ll give you two for now:


1. Nonsensical terminology:

The labels “Hellenic”, “Hellenization”, and even “Greece” are contemporary terms so you cannot apply them to a people from 3,000 years ago. It makes as much sense as something like the “Nazification of Prussia” when everyone knows that Nazism is a political ideology invented many decades after the cessation of a state called Prussia!

So, whatever it is you are claiming to have happened on Cyprus at around 1200BC (?) you’ll have to define it using terms of that time that make sense. In other words, what kind of “?-ization” was this if we are to evaluate this thesis?


2. Claims of unnatural human behavior:

Nobody in the history of mankind has managed to land on foreign soil and peacefully convince the locals/natives to abandon their ways and adopt a new introduced culture! The world simply does NOT work like that! Not even “gradually”, in fact the natives will change YOU much sooner than your imaginary divine patience will change them!

Unless there’s an invasion/occupation, all foreigners are quickly absorbed into the system if they are to survive. The locals/natives do not need the foreigners for food and shelter; it’s the other way round!



Now, instead of repeating the well known Greek dogma over and over, can you please try using your head and in your own words try to patch some of the many holes in your theory? I’ve given you the first two problems to overcome so when you’re done and we’re satisfied with your explanations we can proceed to the next two. Thanks.

[supporttheunderdog]

There is seemingly clear evidence at Ancient Enkomi of violent destruction of traditional Cyrpriot style buildings and rebuilding in Mycenaen Style, suggesting the takeover there was anything but peaceful.

[halil]

Nobody is winding me up Oracle, it’s very clear to see even for a 12 year old, that our problems here on Cyprus are actually twofold:

1. Turkey’s PHYSICAL invasion/occupation of Cyprus.

2. Greece’s MENTAL invasion/occupation of Cypriotism.

The latter of which is the hardest to deal with.

Çok Yaşşa be GR............(god bless you .............) how right you are !!!!!!!!!!!!!

there is no differances between Greeks and Turks mind.....there is no differences how they looks to life......
but unfortunately,our people for many years.....have been introduced these are the our god
it fostered hatred and hate us so it's too late...........Cypriots are very difficult to understand one another ......well they did their homework in a such a way .........picture is very clear now.....

[Piratis]

Greece was the birthplace of the European civilization. Without Greece there would be no Europe. Even during most of the era of Byzantine empire the Greeks were the most educated people and had the most advanced civilization. Western Europe had to go back to the ancient Greeks in order to have an enlightment and come out of the middle ages. Unfortunately during that time Greece was still under the Ottomans and therefore no such progress was possible.

While the Turks have never managed to create any important civilization of their own they have proven to be very good in destroying what others had created. I am sure this makes Halil really proud.

[supporttheunderdog]

I would like to point out the ancient Anatolians had civilisations of their own, which long predated anything remotely Greek