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[Maximus]

I really don't care what the EU would like to do. I say that there is no need for us to make the Turks partners to our business.

Not even if it meant liberating Cyprus?

Do you really believe that Turkey will withdraw from Cyprus peacefully just so that some of our gas will go to Europe through its territory?

Its really all just a pipe dream, I must constantly slap myself in remembrance that it is Turkey we are talking about here. A belligerent nation with caliphate aspirations and Taliban demands.

[repulsewarrior]

I cannot disagree with that either B25. I think Turkey is a lost cause. Its just for the money and to end the occupation. 80 million Turks need energy and Cyprus can always turn the tap off.

Advantage Cyprus.

...thus the circles i am talking about; from Cyprus to the EU, one way through Turkey.....

WHY????

...good point, i did not express myself clearly enough, it should say, "another way through Turkey" (when these hubs are linked).

@OP, Truth is Truth, education is the tool, not against Turks, for Turks, against Ignorance.

[kimon07]

I cannot disagree with that either B25. I think Turkey is a lost cause. Its just for the money and to end the occupation. 80 million Turks need energy and Cyprus can always turn the tap off.

Advantage Cyprus.

...thus the circles i am talking about; from Cyprus to the EU, one way through Turkey.....

WHY????

...good point, i did not express myself clearly enough, it should say, "another way through Turkey" .

WHY?. In exchange for what?? Recognition, withdrawal of troops and settlers? Lifting of threats against the RoC?

If your neighbor invades your house and settles in by force and against your will, what do you do? Call the police to get him out or you share your bank account with him?

[repulsewarrior]

...Erdogan cannot remain in his position forever, one way or another, neither can the system which perpetuates the likes of him either.

standing for the Principals which all Humanity holds in high esteem is not easy, it does not call for the compromises (that betray us) you suggest, exactly the opposite indeed, but the patience, and the determination, to act in a manner where all Mankind is enriched by enriching ourselves, to continue in a demonstration of Grace, this too is needed, because we lead in this thinking, and this tolerance, or surely all of us will suffer if we fail in that, denied because Cypriots will not exist, only subjects, as "Greeks" and "Turks".

Bicommunal is not a dirty word, but it requires a Greek Constituency, as well as a Republic, and a Turkish Constituency. the Turkish elite are too greedy to imagine a power that they would be responsible to (except Turkey), and the Greek elite is comfortable in a State, where it is the State which represents them as a National identity by their vast majority, as Greeks first, (a "typical" Nation/State), whether they are Cypriots or not. neither position moves the definitions we need as a Humanity, as Cypriots, for the words, "Persons", and "Individuals"; not "Greek" vs "Turk", we must change the present debate, it is flawed.

...as i suggest to GIG, truth is not changed without more Truth, and that Truth is found by overcoming our own fears.

[wyoming cowboy]

Turkey is a country in a huge societal mess, on the one hand the western aegean turks want to integrate with the west and the eastern turks want to implement sharia law...Its obvious that energy is becoming an important issue nowadays for different reasons, the Turks could be in for a big surprise when in the ROC's EEZ just north of Kyrenia or east of Varosha a huge deposit is discovered...what would the Turks do when Noble energy sets up a platform north of Kyrenia?

[Maximus]

Turkey is a country in a huge societal mess, on the one hand the western aegean turks want to integrate with the west and the eastern turks want to implement sharia law...Its obvious that energy is becoming an important issue nowadays for different reasons, the Turks could be in for a big surprise when in the ROC's EEZ just north of Kyrenia or east of Varosha a huge deposit is discovered...what would the Turks do when Noble energy sets up a platform north of Kyrenia?

The Turks cant do anything as noone recognises the deal made between the psuedo state and Turkeys TPAO. The only complication is, how will that gas be piped to the EU by the RoC north of Kerynia?

Let the Piri Reis find it first.

[supporttheunderdog]

I do not think many except Turkish owned entities will think about drilling in the areas so close to the North unless/until there is a settlement .

[repulsewarrior]

...Turkey would prefer if the other interlocutors remained inactive on the potential of this "Continental Shelf". it is too late for that, and in the belligerence which is being demonstrated at the outset, it is clear, for Erdogan, this is important to him. anything is possible in his world because the Turkish people, a population of ninety million, can build portable nuclear generators, aircraft, pipelines, helicopters, dams, other highly complex systems, and they will soon go to space too; but oil is power, now. their allies, where Turkey has a 'good friend' policy, other middle countries like Brazil, China, Pakistan, (and Iran?), share a great deal of technology which is resulting in competitive wares, to the leading players. then there is the looming bubble of debt, as it is, war must seem a tempting choice to Turkey's leadership, (who is not her friend, across the fence so to speak?), and this behaviour seems popular among the world's leading figures; we all know that oil starts war.

...fortunately, there are time restraints on the Leadership in a Modern Democratic society; Turkey is a Modern Democratic State, right?

[supporttheunderdog]

just read a news item indicating the Turkish Police tear-gassed and water-cannoed a heading for Attaturk's tomb to celebrate his founding if the secular Turkish State - bet he spinng faster souvla on a on the skewer....

[Maximus]

It has cost $300million (Turkish government tells reuters) and rising to keep the Syrian refugees. When the "Turkish Republic of northern Syria" is formed, they will have to find another $600m a year to keep them too. This is Davutoglu's idea.