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[Piratis]

All humans are from the same "gene pool" since all humans belong to the same species.

There are no "Greek genes" or "Turkish genes". What makes somebody Greek or Turkish are things like language and culture and a sense of identity and desire to be part of a common group.

Did you really think that there was the "Original Greek man" and the "Original Greek woman", and that the Greek nation is the result of interbreeding between the offspring of those 2 people? That is ridiculous. No nation was formed like that. Many different people mixed and mixed again over and over and what created the nations was not some commonalities found with DNA analysis, but a common language and culture that gradually evolved and the desire of those people to be part of that nation.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Piratis is completely correct.

The aim of some people is to distort historical migrations or ethnic groupings for political reasons. They use meaningless data such as a mutation for an environmentally selected gene which can confer an advantage.

Recent, reliable, wholesale genetic studies only confirm the known and often well-recorded migrations of groups of people. What is more, when these groups of people are asked to "Self Identify" their particular race/cultural/ethnic group, the results which are obtained show the strongest correlation.

Do not dismiss self-identification of one's cultural group because, to date, it is the most reliable information observed from genetic studies.

[bill cobbett]

Oh Gawd... am getting funny images of '000s of tri-remes being rowed across the Med by loadsa Atheneucians on their way to populate CY ...

... or hundreds of cruise ships bringing Illegal Anglo-Saxon Settlers to England

... and plane-loads of Naughty Harrowing Normans landing at Gatwick, Sussex.

[Get Real!]

All humans are from the same "gene pool" since all humans belong to the same species.

There are no "Greek genes" or "Turkish genes". What makes somebody Greek or Turkish are things like language and culture and a sense of identity and desire to be part of a common group.

Did you really think that there was the "Original Greek man" and the "Original Greek woman", and that the Greek nation is the result of interbreeding between the offspring of those 2 people? That is ridiculous. No nation was formed like that. Many different people mixed and mixed again over and over and what created the nations was not some commonalities found with DNA analysis, but a common language and culture that gradually evolved and the desire of those people to be part of that nation.

How unfortunate that in your eyes all the above apply to everyone else except Cypriots!

For in the Greek gymnasium’s teachings, Cypriots are forbidden to have had a culture and distinct identity!

[Get Real!]

Do not dismiss self-identification of one's cultural group because, to date, it is the most reliable information observed from genetic studies.

Genetic studies reveal culture? Wow!

Funnily enough it never seems to work for Cyprus…

Maybe she hasn’t paid enough homage to the Greek Gods of Olympus!

[GreekIslandGirl]

Do not dismiss self-identification of one's cultural group because, to date, it is the most reliable information observed from genetic studies.

Genetic studies reveal culture? Wow!

Funnily enough it never seems to work for Cyprus…

Maybe she hasn’t paid enough homage to the Greek Gods of Olympus!

The 'self-identifying' groups which corroborate with genetic findings relate to the known genetic groups, having some historical longevity. Not the "Situational Ethnicity" which is a recently contrived identity, based on a passport and for some social or political situation. Otherwise the "trnc" 'citizens' can strike up a new ethnicity tomorrow and it will be as valid as your 'Cypriot ethnicity'. You cannot argue against Greek being a known and identifiable ethnicity. Here, have a look under "C" for "Cypriot ethnicity" and tell me what you find:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups#C

Now have a look for Greeks ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups#G

[Get Real!]

I piss on the “Greeks” Oracle, for if I fail they’ll piss on me!

[GreekIslandGirl]

I piss on the “Greeks” Oracle, for if I fail they’ll piss on me!

So all this is due to incontinence?

[Get Real!]

I piss on the “Greeks” Oracle, for if I fail they’ll piss on me!

So all this is due to incontinence?

Disguised as such, but I like to call it a preemptive measure in support of Cypriotism…

[Piratis]

All humans are from the same "gene pool" since all humans belong to the same species.

There are no "Greek genes" or "Turkish genes". What makes somebody Greek or Turkish are things like language and culture and a sense of identity and desire to be part of a common group.

Did you really think that there was the "Original Greek man" and the "Original Greek woman", and that the Greek nation is the result of interbreeding between the offspring of those 2 people? That is ridiculous. No nation was formed like that. Many different people mixed and mixed again over and over and what created the nations was not some commonalities found with DNA analysis, but a common language and culture that gradually evolved and the desire of those people to be part of that nation.

How unfortunate that in your eyes all the above apply to everyone else except Cypriots!

For in the Greek gymnasium’s teachings, Cypriots are forbidden to have had a culture and distinct identity!

In what way it does not apply to Cypriots? It applies to Cypriots in the same way that it applies to Cretans, Rhodians, Athenians and everybody else.

Every place can have a distinct culture and identity. Paphians have an identity and culture that has differences from that of Nicocians. And Liverpudlians have a culture and identity which has differences from Londoners. It doesn't mean that every variation in culture and identity results in a different ethnic group.

I can be Limassolian and Cypriot and Greek and European, just like somebody else can be Londoner, English, British, European. Trying to force people to choose between being Cypriot or being Greek is a false dilemma which is politically motivated and promoted by those who want to isolate Cyprus from the rest of our nation so it will be easier for themselves to continue to exploit our island on our expense.