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Never so close to a settlement

Postby halil » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:35 am

Below article posted by omphalostisgis.com.cy to my mail and shared in CF by me ........... :!:

Greek and Turkish Cypriots have never before been so close to an agreed settlement but the next few months will be critical as the United Nations push for a deal before Cyprus assumes the presidency of the EU in July next year, Makarios Droushiotis says writing in Politis and the Cyprus Mail.

According to informed sources close to the negotiations, both leaders gave assurances to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, during their meeting in New York last week that they were committed to producing the convergences he had asked for by the time they meet him next in January.

Significant differences nevertheless remain between the two sides, but Ban made it absolutely clear to them that his good offices mission will be terminated in the next few months if the sides do not break the deadlock.

The timeframe for a solution is June 2012. Until then there must be an agreement; the two sides must hold referenda and a federal Cyprus will assume the presidency of the Council of the EU.

If the deadlock is not broken by February, the UN will shut its good offices mission in Cyprus, the source said.

The option of freezing the talks until 2013 is unrealistic and it is something both leaders have fully understood. In fact, Christofias told Ban that he would not be a presidential candidate for a second term and has no plans to continue the talks in 2013. Once the UN team had made sure that the two sides had clearly understood the time constraint, Downer and Pascoe asked both sides if they believed they could bridge their differences. Both Christofias and Eroglu said they could.

The fact that they understood the time factor is perhaps the biggest achievement of the talks at Greentree. Talks without a timeframe and arbitration no longer constitute valid rhetoric. A very clear roadmap and a new procedure have emerged culminating in the endgame. If there is political will and courage, an agreement is possible.

Talks in Nicosia will start again on Thursday with one weekly meeting between the two leaders.

The leaders’ aides and working groups will take it from there while UN representatives together with their experts will be shuttling between the two sides, enriching discussions with their ideas and suggestions.

The UN has assured that they are not interested in imposing any solution, seeking especially to dispel the fears of the Greek Cypriots who vehemently oppose arbitration. As Downer said after briefing the Security Council, “we cannot want a solution more than the Cypriots themselves”, stressing that the role of the UN is to help the two sides reach a solution not to impose it. “They must be happy with the solution they will have reached”.

According to the new roadmap, the final round of talks in Cyprus will cover all chapters that are still open - governance, territory, property and citizenship.

A new tripartite meeting will be held in New York around January 15. Ban expects that the new meeting would be part of the final phase and not its beginning in the sense that when the leaders go to New York they would have already agreed on the four remaining chapters. If they go to the new meeting empty handed they would just be confirming the deadlock in the talks.

Sources said there is neither time nor inclination for another tripartite meeting. In New York there would only be two possibilities - declaring a deadlock or an agreement on the internal aspects and scheduling a multilateral meeting. If all goes as planned, the multilateral meeting will again be held in New York at the end of February or early March. If the talks reach the point of a multilateral meeting their success is a given, but if they collapse, it will happen in February. However, while a settlement is feasible on paper, it would have no value if it is not approved by both communities.

The UN believes that Christofias can count on the strong backing of the EU in case of a settlement, while Russia has given assurances that it will back a deal that is acceptable by both communities. Turkey is still willing, but less enthusiastic than before. Ban has already asked for support from Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan while his envoy in Cyprus, Alexander Downer is planning a trip to Ankara. The United States will not get involved in the talks but have pledged to provide help backstage. The UN Secretary-general has the backing of the Security Council. Its President, José Filipe Moraes Cabral, said that both Ban’s and Downer’s efforts have the Council’s strong support. He added: “The Council agreed that the sides should make additional efforts and display the necessary political will to move forward and conclude the negotiations in a positive way.”

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Re: Never so close to a settlement

Postby halil » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:44 am

another article from Omphalos..............

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Another ‘thriller’ unfolded in New York last Monday, says the Cyprus Mail’s satirical column Coffeeshop, at least in the eyes of cliché-peddling newspaper headline writers, who are under the illusion they can sex-up a typically dull Cyprob story on their front page by labelling it a ‘thriller’. Let’s face it Cyprob talks are as exciting and suspenseful as a visit to the supermarket.



We seem to witness exactly the same thriller every time the two hillbilly leaders go to Big Apple for three-way handshakes and smiles with the normally poker-faced Ban Ki-moon.



In the run-up to the thriller, all the opposition parties predicted that there would be traps for the comrade – laid by Big Bad Al and his evil Yank backer, Lyn Pascoe, the pro-Turkish Under-Secretary-General, affectionately referred to as ‘an employee of the UN’ - who would be forced to participate in give-and-take, discuss UN bridging proposals, accept arbitration, an international conference and asphyxiating time-frames.



The comrade and his entourage meanwhile insist that nothing of the sort would happen, implying that the meeting would lead nowhere, in short, just another thriller without the thrills. This is the intergalactic scale of the lunacy that the Cyprob inspires. The government considers it a mega political success, a reason to gloat, when a meeting with Ban produces no results.



And the opposition parties, which had been ringing alarm bells about the danger of progress being made, forget about the traps and complain that Ban issued a statement that did not condemn the Turkish side’s intransigence. If, God forbid, Ban reported progress, they start to moan that he is covering up the intransigence and the comrade was to blame, for not taking a tougher stance.



Last week they were outraged about the change of the format of the talks when the UN decided to have proximity talks instead of direct talks with Ban. All our parties protested, fearing that the change of format could produce results, the last thing they wanted. DIKO warned that “there was a possibility proximity talks would lead to indirect arbitration and the procedure would be laden with other dangers” like the danger of progress. All the parties suffered the same proximity talk panic-attacks.



The presidential mouthpiece Haravghi, meanwhile kept reassuring us that nothing would happen in New York, and all the doom and gloom merchants had been proved wrong. ‘Alarmism rejected’ read Tuesday banner headline, the paper quoting Stef-Stef as saying there were no traps, surprises or covert arbitration.



And on Wednesday the paper carried the triumphant headline - ‘There was no big step’ – thus silencing the alarmists. The comrade had once again been victorious, avoiding all Pascoe’s traps and heroically ensuring against anything positive being achieved in New York.



But the Greentree meeting was not the disappointment we were all praying for, according to our establishment’s information. We hate to be the bringer of bad tidings, but apparently Tof and Ero promised to return to the Big Apple in January with convergences on all issues, so that a date for the multi-party conference that would settle security and guarantees, would be set. If they failed to do so, which is entirely possible, Ban told them he would end the talks and close his good offices mission in Kyproulla. When this happens the church bells will be ringing, there will dancing in the streets and the comrade will return to a hero’s welcome, having once again proved the alarmists wrong.
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Re: Never so close to a settlement

Postby Bananiot » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:40 pm

There may be something to it Halil, because the perpetual armchair patriots have started to worry. The two main nationalist parties (DIKO and EDEK) have voiced their concerns warning of arbitration and time frames which are about to descent on us. The more they worry the more the gloom lifts.
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Re: Never so close to a settlement

Postby humanist » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:48 pm

in other words ... we've never been more distant to a solution. I fail to see how we can be close to unification if the Turks are wanting to build a conferderation based on racism. Very antyi European values and respect for human rights.
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Re: Never so close to a settlement

Postby Bananiot » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:54 pm

Are these the same values that we once supported for our Palestinian friends but have recently abandoned in order to pursue our apparent interests alongside those that commit crimes against humanity?
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Re: Never so close to a settlement

Postby B25 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:17 pm

Bananiot wrote:Are these the same values that we once supported for our Palestinian friends but have recently abandoned in order to pursue our apparent interests alongside those that commit crimes against humanity?


Bananiot, vale mialon, Cyprus comes before the Palestinians. We have our own problems to solve before we can helps others. You obviously take great delight that we may be handing over our (not yours) country to turkey, but it isn't going to happen.

A solution (not any) solution will be agreed if it suits our purpose and those of international laws, human rights and within the EU principles. That is the be all and end all of it.

If you want to do something constructive than to keep kicking us, go tell your mates over the water that we will not accept anything less.

Either that or they can take a hike, your choice.

Oh, and if I had Deniz gramaphone image I would post it for you as you keep bleating on about the damn Palestinians and the armchair patriots to no end.
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Re: Never so close to a settlement

Postby bill cobbett » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:25 pm

Boys and Girls ... this "we are soooooo close to a settlement" is rubbish... given that we haven't even started discussing the crucial matters of Territory and Property.

How on Earth can anyone claim to be close to a settlement when these 2 very important areas have been ignored for the three years of talks is quite beyond understanding.
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Re: Never so close to a settlement

Postby halil » Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:10 pm

bill cobbett wrote:Boys and Girls ... this "we are soooooo close to a settlement" is rubbish... given that we haven't even started discussing the crucial matters of Territory and Property.

How on Earth can anyone claim to be close to a settlement when these 2 very important areas have been ignored for the three years of talks is quite beyond understanding.


Billy Willy Boy ..........Cyprus problem did not started from Territory or Property problems ....First let them to solve power sharing and ....economy ....and security ....rest will solve very easily.Money matters and property matters can be solved very easily my boy ....Equality and sharing the country :!: where there will be no Greek or Turkish domination over the island and freed from military presence on the island.(demilitarize the island)
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Re: Never so close to a settlement

Postby bill cobbett » Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:20 pm

halil wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Boys and Girls ... this "we are soooooo close to a settlement" is rubbish... given that we haven't even started discussing the crucial matters of Territory and Property.

How on Earth can anyone claim to be close to a settlement when these 2 very important areas have been ignored for the three years of talks is quite beyond understanding.


Billy Willy Boy ..........Cyprus problem did not started from Territory or Property problems ....First let them to solve power sharing and ....economy ....and security ....rest will solve very easily.Money matters and property matters can be solved very easily my boy ....Equality and sharing the country :!: where there will be no Greek or Turkish domination over the island and freed from military presence on the island.(demilitarize the island)


Halil bey, let's see how easily the territory issue can be resolved file... cos the Territory Matter can be solved very easily and very equitably... Do you agree the northern Zone should comprise 18% ? ... that is fair isn't it?
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Re: Never so close to a settlement

Postby halil » Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:38 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
halil wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Boys and Girls ... this "we are soooooo close to a settlement" is rubbish... given that we haven't even started discussing the crucial matters of Territory and Property.

How on Earth can anyone claim to be close to a settlement when these 2 very important areas have been ignored for the three years of talks is quite beyond understanding.


Billy Willy Boy ..........Cyprus problem did not started from Territory or Property problems ....First let them to solve power sharing and ....economy ....and security ....rest will solve very easily.Money matters and property matters can be solved very easily my boy ....Equality and sharing the country :!: where there will be no Greek or Turkish domination over the island and freed from military presence on the island.(demilitarize the island)


Halil bey, let's see how easily the territory issue can be resolved file... cos the Territory Matter can be solved very easily and very equitably... Do you agree the northern Zone should comprise 18% ? ... that is fair isn't it?

No problem for me Billy Willy boy .....Let them to study cadastro records for both side than percentages will come out....as i said Cyprus problem did not started from the propert matters....by brainwashing the peoples only with property is wrong.
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