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Re: What is HELLENISM?

Postby Me Ed » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:01 am

kimon07 wrote:
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Me Ed wrote:
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Me Ed wrote:Hellenism finished around 1600 years ago with the murder of Hypatia.


Wrong. The murder of Hypatia was just another unsuccessful attempt to stop the spreading pf Hellenism.
See below:





Arabic Thought and its Place in History, by De Lacy O'Leary, [1922], at sacred-texts.com
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p. 1
CHAPTER I
THE SYRIAC VERSION OF HELLENISM
The subject proposed in the following pages is the history of the cultural transmission by which Greek philosophy and science were passed from Hellenistic surroundings to the Syriac speaking community, thence to the Arabic speaking world of Islam, and so finally to the Latin Schoolmen of Western Europe. That such a transmission did take place is known even to the beginner in mediæval history, but how it happened, and the influences which promoted it, and the modifications which took place en route, appear to be less generally known, and it does not seem that the details, scattered through works of very diverse types, are easily accessible to the English reader. Many historians seem content to give only a casual reference to its course, sometimes even with strange chronological confusions which show that the sources used are still the mediæval writers who had very imperfect information about the development of intellectual life amongst the Muslims. Following mediæval usage we sometimes find the Arabic writers referred to as "Arabs" or "Moors," although in fact there was only one philosopher of any importance who was an Arab by race, and comparatively little is known about his work.
See the rest of the article here:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/ath/ath03.htm

See also about the debate as to whether the “Hellenization of Europe” was caused by the Arabs or not.
http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/ ... islam.html

I'll make this very easy for you, Give the top three ideas that came out of Hellenism since Hypatia ...


Wrong again!
First of all, Hypatia was murdered in 415 AD.
No new ideas could come out from anywhere or anyone after 415 AD because Hellenism had exhausted them all till max 200 AD
Hypatia was not so much a producer of ideas but, mainly, the safe keeper of THE UNIVERSAL KNOWLEDGE, being the last chief librarian of the grate library of Alexandria.
The point is not what new ideas Hellenism produced after the death of Hypatia, but that if it was not for what Hellenism had produced till then, you would not even be using the word “idea” today because you would not know what it means (rather you would not know it ever existed.
What I mean is that, even though Hypatia was murdered and the library of Alexandria burned to the ground by the “Christian” fanatics of those times, Hellenism managed to infiltrate Europe (thanks to the Arab Muslims, up to a point.).
Thus, Western Europeans and their descendants, can speak, can read and can write today.
They can also discuss about things such as DEMOCRACY, PHILOSOPHY, IDEAS, THEORIES, THESIS e.t.c, e.t.c.
Not to mention the terminology of ALL sciences.
Just read below:
The English Language: It's Greek to Me
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“The wide variety of English literature is due wholly to the ancient Greeks, who invented every literary category which is known.17 Tragedy, for example, was first perceived and developed by the Greeks. Of the four great tragedy artists of the world, three of them, Æschylus, Sophocles, and Euripides, are Greek—the other being Shakespeare.18”
See the whole article here.
http://www.garretwilson.com/essays/lang ... greek.html
Oh, and by the way! The Greek word for ship is NAVS - ΝΑΥΣ) That is from where your navy, nautical, naval etc derive.
And the Greek word for air-plane is AERO - PLANO, meaning the object that roams (planatai) in the air.
And tele-phone is the device that transfers your phoni (voice) to a long distance (tele) like, tele-vision, tele-graph (= grafi=script) tele-type, tele-pathy.
And hippo-potamus is the river -horse because “hippos” is the horse (seen in hippodromes). While pan-ther is the animal that hunts everything (pan = all, thera = the hunt) and leo-pard is the spotted lion (leo-pardalis).
Isn’t it funny? The average European uses all above Greek words (and tenths of thousands of others) every day without knowing what they actually mean.
They do not even know that when they drink wine, they are actually drinking Oinos-vino-vine-wine.
But I do not blame them. Because even modern Greeks, when we drink wine, we call it “crasi” but do not know what it means. We have not learned that this word derives from “crasis”= mixture (like “crater”, i.e., the vessel where liquids are mixed, like a volcano crater).
So you see, “crasis” is the mixture”. And modern Greek crasi is the mixture of wine and water, as the Greeks used to drink it in “craters”. What kind of water though? Ah, It had to be “Nearon Ydor”= NERO as we, modern Greeks say today = young water=fresh=running water. So, NERO is NEARON YDOR simplified in common language.

Rubbish.

Hellenism used to be about progression and fresh ideas which finished over a thousand years ago..

Hellenism is not about some greek shistos like you clinging on past glories.

Bring something new to the party or you are nothing better than a Roman or and Egyptian - consigned to the dustbin of history.
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Re: What is HELLENISM?

Postby Maxx » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:26 am

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I am what I am. Cypriot born and Hellenically educated. The best? :)

Yes, if it was true. :wink:


May your envy make you a better man! :)

It won't. I saw you in Haringey. :wink:


That party was a one off for me, J. :wink:


Please don't tell me you losers hang around Haringey and that ottoman Centre? :lol:

How funny! :)
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Re: What is HELLENISM?

Postby kurupetos » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:54 am

What greater punishment can the immortal gods inflict upon man than madness or insanity?
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Re: What is HELLENISM?

Postby Maxx » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:57 am

Ottomania....

You people are going to be punished because of your incredible stupidity.

Cyprus is on fire, and to top that, you Ottomans cling onto the irrelevant "mother" that is the ridicule of the entire world. This "mother" is the dead wood that needs to be discarded, otherwise she will take us down.

So it's out with dead wood, and its onwards and upwards for us.

Not mention the incredible racism displayed against our not so irrelevant regional partners. You only display your arrogance by being racist Greek rent boys, as if you have anything to gloat about, and against a nation that shows you exactly how it's done and produces a whole lot more than olive oil. What is important is the Gas, and our friends in the region, which we can rely on, not the lost cause that is ottoman Greece. We are talking about balance of power changes in the entire region, but all you talk about are past glories, now defunct. :roll:

So WAKE UP!

A new beginning is about to dawn. :roll:
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Re: What is HELLENISM?

Postby Get Real! » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:37 am

Poor Kimon… struggling to save “Hellenism” with cut & pastes but who is going to save you from it? :lol:
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Re: What is HELLENISM?

Postby kimon07 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:05 am

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Rubbish.

Hellenism used to be about progression and fresh ideas which finished over a thousand years ago..

Hellenism is not about some greek shistos like you clinging on past glories.

Bring something new to the party or you are nothing better than a Roman or and Egyptian - consigned to the dustbin of history.[/quote]

If you come to think of it, civilization in all its forms, including reading and writing, is relativelly fresh and new to you, considering that you did not have them till after the Romans got them from us (Hellens) and brought them to your Mother-Land (the Albion).

On the other hand, you (and some others in here) have repeatedly demonstrated one of the foundamental differences between Hellenism (debate - argument- exchange of ideas-proof, which, apparently, are "all Greek to you") and your very own Barbarism (insult-violence).
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Re: What is HELLENISM?

Postby kimon07 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:17 am

Get Real! wrote:Poor Kimon… struggling to save “Hellenism” with cut & pastes but who is going to save you from it? :lol:


Don't want to be saved. I enjoy being part of it and its evolution.
You should be proud of it as well because you also participate to it, like it or not. Just try to make use of this valuable inheritance of which others are so jealous that they even claim it for theselves (as do the Turks, the Slavs of FYROM etc). While many of those who are not and can not be part of it simply fight it.
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Re: What is HELLENISM?

Postby kimon07 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:21 am

Note: My previous post starting with "rubbish" is an answer to Me ed.
Appologies for the mistake in quoting his related post.
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Re: What is HELLENISM?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:30 am

Me Ed wrote:Rubbish.

Hellenism used to be about progression and fresh ideas which finished over a thousand years ago..


You've managed to contradict yourself within one sentence. It never "used to be about progression and fresh ideas" but it evolved because of new ideas and hence continued to progress mostly based on the original premises/ideas/discoveries/postulates. It's not a static lifestyle with an on-off switch. You must be suggesting that humanity, and western civilization, which acknowledges its dependence on these factors, is now also 'finished'? What a very poor existence - that we should have voluntarily switched off all these beginnings just because you say they had to stop.
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Re: What is HELLENISM?

Postby Cap » Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:39 am

1821-2011. 190 years of modern Greece.
its a shame they've contributed virtually zero to 'Hellenism'.
if 190 years of failure and stone age progress is part of Hellenistic evolution, then i'm afraid you're going to see a lot of rejection to the idea.

190 years of modern Greece has given our children and the world... what exactly?
'opa, opa', ouzo, zeimbekiko and the refined art of corruption?
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