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Not meaning to question Yialousa's credentials - but what is this neolithic iceman doing in 'Politics and Elections'?

He wants to vote.

[Get Real!]

G1 (M285, M342) G1* - G1a (P20.1, P20.2, P20.3) G1a* G1a1 (L201^, L202^, L203^)

G1b (P76)

G2 (P287) G2* -
G2a (P15, U5, L31/S149, L149^) G2a* - G2a1 (P16.1, P16.2) G2a1* - G2a1a (P18.1, P18.2, P18.3)

G2a2 (M286)
G2a3 (L30/S126, L32/S148) G2a3* - G2a3a (M406) G2a3a* - G2a3a1 (L14/S130/U16, L90/S133)
G2a3a2 (L645^)

G2a3b (L141.1^) G2a3b* - G2a3b1 (P303/S135) G2a3b1* - G2a3b1a (L140^) G2a3b1a* G2a3b1a1 (U1) G2a3b1a1* G2a3b1a1a (L13/S131/U13, L78)

G2a3b1a2 (L497)^ G2a3b1a2* G2a3b1a2a (L43/S147) G2a3b1a2a* G2a3b1a2a1 (L42/S146)

G2a3b1a3 (L640^)
G2a3b1a4 (L660^, L662^)

G2a3b1b (L694^)

G2a3b2 (L177.1^, L177.2^, L177.3^)

G2a4 (L91^)
G2a5 (L293^)

G2b (M287)
G2c (M377, L72, L183^) G2c* - G2c1 (M283)

Thanks, that makes perfect sense!

So in laymen’s terms this guy was gay…

[yialousa1971]

Not meaning to question Yialousa's credentials - but what is this neolithic iceman doing in 'Politics and Elections'?

Where else.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Not meaning to question Yialousa's credentials - but what is this neolithic iceman doing in 'Politics and Elections'?

Where else.

How about 'Cypriot Diaspora'?

[Maxx]

Not meaning to question Yialousa's credentials - but what is this neolithic iceman doing in 'Politics and Elections'?

Where else.

How about 'Cypriot Diaspora'?

Fully agree!

It should go in the Cypriot Ottomans of the UK section.

[Kikapu]

These reconstructions are a load of bollocks!

How can one figure out boneless areas like lips, nose, ears, etc?

I totally agree with you, GR.

I mean, the picture of Iceman taken with you and others only few years ago where he looked much younger and better looking than the one suggested here.

I'll tell ya, that poor Iceman is given no respect or justice with the above "picture"!

[supporttheunderdog]

What on Earth is a Y-haplogroup G2a4 group ??? ... in simple language.

The Tyrolean Iceman belongs to haplogroup G2a4, a minor lineage in modern-day Europeans. In a Neolithic site from the French south, Treilles, haplogroups G2 and I2 were found.


The seven most commonly occurring subgroups of haplogroup G in existing data with their corresponding SNPs in parentheses are: G1 (M285), G2a1 (P16) G2a3a (M406), G2a3b1a (L140), G2a3b1a2 (L497), G2a3b1a1a (L13/S131/U13) and G2c (M377).

G2a found at 9% Cyprus, 7% Crete and Thessaly 8%

can you cite a source please?

So this Iceman had 9% CY genes ???

No it means that the chances are that Otzi shared a last common male Ancestor with 9.2% of the population of Cyprus .

Other sources do not reflect G2a4 in Cyprus, for eaxmple one source (Cole, Jeffrey (2011), Ethnic Groups of Europe: An Encyclopedia, ABC-CLIO, p. 97, ISBN 1598843028)suggests
Y-Dna haplogroups are found at the following frequencies in Cyprus : J (43.07% including 6.20% J1), E1b1b (20.00%), R1 (12.30% including 9.2% R1b), F (9.20%), I (7.70%), K (4.60%), A (3.10%).


I understand J, K, F and E1b1b haplogroups consist of lineages within the Middle East, North Africa and Europe while R1 and I are more common in West European populations.

[GreekIslandGirl]

No it means that the chances are that Otzi shared a last common male Ancestor with 9.2% of the population of Cyprus .

No. It means that ~9% of the present day male population of Cyprus still retain this haplogroup.

[Lordo]

What on Earth is a Y-haplogroup G2a4 group ??? ... in simple language.

The Tyrolean Iceman belongs to haplogroup G2a4, a minor lineage in modern-day Europeans. In a Neolithic site from the French south, Treilles, haplogroups G2 and I2 were found.

G*
G1 (M285, M342) G1* - G1a (P20.1, P20.2, P20.3) G1a* G1a1 (L201^, L202^, L203^)


G1b (P76)


G2 (P287) G2* -
G2a (P15, U5, L31/S149, L149^) G2a* - G2a1 (P16.1, P16.2) G2a1* - G2a1a (P18.1, P18.2, P18.3)


G2a2 (M286)
G2a3 (L30/S126, L32/S148) G2a3* - G2a3a (M406) G2a3a* - G2a3a1 (L14/S130/U16, L90/S133)
G2a3a2 (L645^)


G2a3b (L141.1^) G2a3b* - G2a3b1 (P303/S135) G2a3b1* - G2a3b1a (L140^) G2a3b1a* G2a3b1a1 (U1) G2a3b1a1* G2a3b1a1a (L13/S131/U13, L78)


G2a3b1a2 (L497)^ G2a3b1a2* G2a3b1a2a (L43/S147) G2a3b1a2a* G2a3b1a2a1 (L42/S146)



G2a3b1a3 (L640^)
G2a3b1a4 (L660^, L662^)



G2a3b1b (L694^)


G2a3b2 (L177.1^, L177.2^, L177.3^)




G2a4 (L91^)
G2a5 (L293^)


G2b (M287)
G2c (M377, L72, L183^) G2c* - G2c1 (M283)

The ^ indicates newly identified in 2009-11. The * indicates negativity for subgroups of that category

The seven most commonly occurring subgroups of haplogroup G in existing data with their corresponding SNPs in parentheses are: G1 (M285), G2a1 (P16) G2a3a (M406), G2a3b1a (L140), G2a3b1a2 (L497), G2a3b1a1a (L13/S131/U13) and G2c (M377).

G2a found at 9% Cyprus, 7% Crete and Thessaly 8%

So this Iceman had 9% CY genes ???

I think you will find it is the other way round. Current Cypriots have his genes. Do you always get things the wrong way round?

[supporttheunderdog]

What on Earth is a Y-haplogroup G2a4 group ??? ... in simple language.

The Tyrolean Iceman belongs to haplogroup G2a4, a minor lineage in modern-day Europeans. In a Neolithic site from the French south, Treilles, haplogroups G2 and I2 were found.

G*
G1 (M285, M342) G1* - G1a (P20.1, P20.2, P20.3) G1a* G1a1 (L201^, L202^, L203^)


G1b (P76)


G2 (P287) G2* -
G2a (P15, U5, L31/S149, L149^) G2a* - G2a1 (P16.1, P16.2) G2a1* - G2a1a (P18.1, P18.2, P18.3)


G2a2 (M286)
G2a3 (L30/S126, L32/S148) G2a3* - G2a3a (M406) G2a3a* - G2a3a1 (L14/S130/U16, L90/S133)
G2a3a2 (L645^)


G2a3b (L141.1^) G2a3b* - G2a3b1 (P303/S135) G2a3b1* - G2a3b1a (L140^) G2a3b1a* G2a3b1a1 (U1) G2a3b1a1* G2a3b1a1a (L13/S131/U13, L78)


G2a3b1a2 (L497)^ G2a3b1a2* G2a3b1a2a (L43/S147) G2a3b1a2a* G2a3b1a2a1 (L42/S146)



G2a3b1a3 (L640^)
G2a3b1a4 (L660^, L662^)



G2a3b1b (L694^)


G2a3b2 (L177.1^, L177.2^, L177.3^)




G2a4 (L91^)
G2a5 (L293^)


G2b (M287)
G2c (M377, L72, L183^) G2c* - G2c1 (M283)

The ^ indicates newly identified in 2009-11. The * indicates negativity for subgroups of that category

The seven most commonly occurring subgroups of haplogroup G in existing data with their corresponding SNPs in parentheses are: G1 (M285), G2a1 (P16) G2a3a (M406), G2a3b1a (L140), G2a3b1a2 (L497), G2a3b1a1a (L13/S131/U13) and G2c (M377).

G2a found at 9% Cyprus, 7% Crete and Thessaly 8%

So this Iceman had 9% CY genes ???

I think you will find it is the other way round. Current Cypriots have his genes. Do you always get things the wrong way round?

See mine above: Ozi and 9.2% of current living MALE Cypriots are pobabbly descended from one common male ancestor: one cannot exclude that Ozi is an ancestor of at least some that 9.2% but one certainly cannot under any circumstances guarantee it, bearing in mind that the G2a4 mutation is probably a lot older than Ozi, and different descendents of that ancestor went in different directions.