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[supporttheunderdog]

Mikiko The traitors in Cyprus are the Enosis supporters ...

Thou fitful fevered remnant of colonialist britishness ... stuck in the 50's! Go forth. Or, just GO!

If I am stuck in the 50's it is darned sight better than (like you seem to be) being stuck in a romanticised world that in any event ceased to exist at the latest in 1453. I have however never promoted any form of a return to empire or other forms of colonialism, where as you my little darling are promoting colonialism by Greece: indeed I think if anything is stuck anywhere it is your head in your colon.


I actually believe in the independance of Cyprus as a nation state in its own right. That is more than can be said for you. That is because I can see the big down-side to Cyprus of absorption by Greece namely strangling of econmic development of the Island in favour of Greece. So much economic development that has occured here has occured because Cyprus is independant whereas Athen will suck out the wealth. If Cyprus was lucky it might get the drippings of the Athenian's arses, bearing in mind Athens would call the tune. .

[supporttheunderdog]

Mikiko The traitors in Cyprus are the Enosis supporters ...

Thou fitful fevered remnant of colonialist britishness ... stuck in the 50's! Go forth. Or, just GO!

It must go.

On y reste!!

[Sotos]

Mikiko The traitors in Cyprus are the Enosis supporters who plainly have not learnt the lessons of the past, namely that since the mid 1950's Turkey has been against Enosis and will AND HAS taken steps to stop it.

Traitors are those who collaborate with the enemy and not those who go against the enemy's wishes. Those who did what Turkey/UK wanted are therefore traitors. Those who went against the wishes of Turkey/UK are the patriots. The only reason you don't like enosis is because it was a struggle against the British colonialists ... and you are British. Or you thought we wouldn't notice the obvious connection? Cypriot traitors are your best friends and you hate the patriots.

[Atheist]

Hello Filitsa,

I have no problem with the "cultural Orthodox" and I actually have no problem with the "religious Orthodox" either as long as they do not try to impose their beliefs on others and they leave the state out of their practices.

Hi, again, Atheist,

Perhaps the real problem lies with the State and not the Church and a country with more clearly delineated laws regarding "separation of church and state" and the establishment of religion is a more suitable place for you?

Hello Filitsa,

I don't see why other states should be more succesful in achieving this separation. We can do at least as good but we need to try harder.

[tsukoui]

I was an atheist then I became a mathematician, started smoking weed and listening to Bob Marley and got stuck on Godel's Incompleteness Theorem (I worked through the original German would you believe)... anyway to cut a long story short there is no logic that can handle infinite absolutes... but... we need to keep them in mind to see where we are going... the question is what possible benefit can these crazy monks have in this day and age unless they are super productive love machines for the demiurge... or have I lost you?

[Atheist]

I cannot see how you can separate Church and State when they are basically the same body by different names. Both give us laws and determine how we live. If you are an atheist you naturally look more to the State. Unless, you are also an anarchist.

The problem is how much belief you place in either Religion or State. Outlawing either is admittance of a preference for the native, savage state of mind - or total free will. Can't decide which...

I don't see how the Church and the State are the same body. Don't we have democracy and not theocracy? In a democratic state as a citizen I have a say and I am entitled to certain freedoms. The Church is a foreign body to me. I don't have a say in what the Church is doing and I don't want the Church to have a say in anything affecting my life.

But I do not want to outlaw the Church. You are free to abide by the rules of the Church if you so wish.

[supporttheunderdog]

Mikiko The traitors in Cyprus are the Enosis supporters who plainly have not learnt the lessons of the past, namely that since the mid 1950's Turkey has been against Enosis and will AND HAS taken steps to stop it.

Traitors are those who collaborate with the enemy and not those who go against the enemy's wishes. Those who did what Turkey/UK wanted are therefore traitors. Those who went against the wishes of Turkey/UK are the patriots. The only reason you don't like enosis is because it was a struggle against the British colonialists ... and you are British. Or you thought we wouldn't notice the obvious connection? Cypriot traitors are your best friends and you hate the patriots.

No! Thise who wanted to sell out Cyprus to Greece are the traitors. It was Greece and their EOKA B supporters who so grossly violated the treaties and gave the Turks thay had been looking for possibly 20 years to invade - if anything Britain should have stepped in to stop the Coup. Britain wisely kept out, refusing to allow the Tur*s to use the SBA's. . The trouble is you are so wrapped up with your own lunacy you cannot see it..

[Atheist]

They will see you that you have been sent to dehellenise the island in order to gift the island to Turkey If you try to make any change in reliogions Even though your motives will be totally different . The church is always watching at the background for these matters about Greek Orthodox religion the Greek language etc and this is their reluctance also to touch or respect our own flag. They will see you that you have been sent by our enemies to de hellenise the island so you will be labeled as a Traitor. For some other extremes If you are an Atheist then you are a Turk dont be suprised to hear this also.

I belive everyone should be Free to decide without the state Control . The most problems begin when the state try to dictate at the expense of personal choice . The same mistakes make also parents when they dictate what their children to do or what career to follow. This is very common mistake.

I don't understand how being an Atheist could associate me with Turkey. The Turks are even more religious than Cypriots and they are currently ruled by an Islamic party.

Hellenism is older than Christianity and the best era for Hellism was an era before Christianity. The western Europeans had to go back to the ancient Greeks and use them as a starting point to ignite the new modern era. I don't see why we should still be stuck in the dark ages.

[tsukoui]

"The city of Larnaca, (Greek: Λάρνακα, Turkish: Larnaka) on the west coast of Cyprus, was known in ancient times as Kition, or (in Latin) Citium. On this basis, Flavius Josephus (c. 100 AD) identified the Kittim with Cyprus, however the name seems to have been employed with some flexibility in Hebrew literature, and was sometimes used to apply to the Romans, Macedonians or Assyrians."

Pretty spurious...

[Sotos]

Mikiko The traitors in Cyprus are the Enosis supporters who plainly have not learnt the lessons of the past, namely that since the mid 1950's Turkey has been against Enosis and will AND HAS taken steps to stop it.

Traitors are those who collaborate with the enemy and not those who go against the enemy's wishes. Those who did what Turkey/UK wanted are therefore traitors. Those who went against the wishes of Turkey/UK are the patriots. The only reason you don't like enosis is because it was a struggle against the British colonialists ... and you are British. Or you thought we wouldn't notice the obvious connection? Cypriot traitors are your best friends and you hate the patriots.

No! Thise who wanted to sell out Cyprus to Greece are the traitors. It was Greece and their EOKA B supporters who so grossly violated the treaties and gave the Turks thay had been looking for possibly 20 years to invade - if anything Britain should have stepped in to stop the Coup. Britain wisely kept out, refusing to allow the Tur*s to use the SBA's. . The trouble is you are so wrapped up with your own lunacy you cannot see it..

What treaties? What EOKA B? What SBA? Cyprus should have united with Greece in 1950. The majority of Cypriot people wanted enosis. The British and the Turks didn't want. The traitors are those who collaborated with the British and the Turks. You like the traitors who collaborated with you and you don't like the patriots who fought against you. Couldn't be more obvious.