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Re: Religion in Cyprus

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:05 pm

How is modern day physics/maths any different to magic/mysticism when their 'experimantion' depends on hocus-pocus?

Renormalisation involved resetting the electron's naked mass and charge to the finite empirical values, cancelling out all infinities. With this fix, QED made predictions more accurate than any other theory in physics. Of course, it was not a particularly satisfying solution. Instead of predicting the electron's mass and charge from first principles, the theory's mathematics had to be tweaked with experiment-bought information to make the sums work out. Feynman referred to it as "hocus-pocus" - but it worked.
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Re: Religion in Cyprus

Postby Schnauzer » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:24 pm

joe wrote: You have to be a scientist to see that all measurements suggest the universe is perfectly balanced.


Agreed. :wink:
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Re: Religion in Cyprus

Postby Maxx » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:14 am

joe wrote:I may not be religious but i do know that religion in Cyprus is a alive and well, thank God. You do not have to be a rocket scientist to see that all measurements suggest the universe is too perfectly balanced for there not to be a hire power. Even a trillion "if's" and a big bang could not have possibly created it.


Of course, you are the hire power Greek rent boy. :lol:
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Re: Religion in Cyprus

Postby bill cobbett » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:15 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:How is modern day physics/maths any different to magic/mysticism when their 'experimantion' depends on hocus-pocus?

Renormalisation involved resetting the electron's naked mass and charge to the finite empirical values, cancelling out all infinities. With this fix, QED made predictions more accurate than any other theory in physics. Of course, it was not a particularly satisfying solution. Instead of predicting the electron's mass and charge from first principles, the theory's mathematics had to be tweaked with experiment-bought information to make the sums work out. Feynman referred to it as "hocus-pocus" - but it worked.
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Our dear GI Girl... you'll know better than most that (that unlike all-knowing religions) Science doesn't promise to have all the answers, but Science does promise to search for the answers and to find more questions and Richard Feynman's quote above is really very much in keeping with the man's humour as a great populariser of Science, to put across to laypeople (!) in simple language just how massively difficult it is to predict values in the real world for fundamental particles and forces from theory, of how much work is left to do in the field.

Easiest thing in the modern world to measure the charge and mass of a fundamental particle, but Science asks the "why" question, something religions are rubbish at. Why does an electron weigh this much, or why is its charge such and such a value, why is gravity so ridiculously weaker than the other forces etc etc

A reminder also that unlike religion and faiths, Science isn't afraid to say "we don't know" or "more work is needed" ...and sometimes to poke fun at our ignorance.
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Re: Religion in Cyprus

Postby Get Real! » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:21 am

bill cobbett wrote:Our dear GI Girl... you'll know better than most that (that unlike all-knowing religions) Science doesn't promise to have all the answers, but Science does promise to search for the answers and to find more questions and Richard Feynman's quote above is really very much in keeping with the man's humour as a great populariser of Science, to put across to laypeople (!) in simple language just how massively difficult it is to predict values in the real world for fundamental particles and forces from theory, of how much work is left to do in the field.

Easiest thing in the modern world to measure the charge and mass of a fundamental particle, but Science asks the "why" question, something religions are rubbish at. Why does an electron weigh this much, or why is its charge such and such a value, why is gravity so ridiculously weaker than the other forces etc etc

A reminder also that unlike religion and faiths, Science isn't afraid to say "we don't know" or "more work is needed" ...and sometimes to poke fun at our ignorance.

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Re: Religion in Cyprus

Postby Maxx » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:23 am

bill cobbett wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:How is modern day physics/maths any different to magic/mysticism when their 'experimantion' depends on hocus-pocus?

Renormalisation involved resetting the electron's naked mass and charge to the finite empirical values, cancelling out all infinities. With this fix, QED made predictions more accurate than any other theory in physics. Of course, it was not a particularly satisfying solution. Instead of predicting the electron's mass and charge from first principles, the theory's mathematics had to be tweaked with experiment-bought information to make the sums work out. Feynman referred to it as "hocus-pocus" - but it worked.
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Our dear GI Girl... you'll know better than most that (that unlike all-knowing religions) Science doesn't promise to have all the answers, but Science does promise to search for the answers and to find more questions and Richard Feynman's quote above is really very much in keeping with the man's humour as a great populariser of Science, to put across to laypeople (!) in simple language just how massively difficult it is to predict values in the real world for fundamental particles and forces from theory, of how much work is left to do in the field.

Easiest thing in the modern world to measure the charge and mass of a fundamental particle, but Science asks the "why" question, something religions are rubbish at. Why does an electron weigh this much, or why is its charge such and such a value, why is gravity so ridiculously weaker than the other forces etc etc

A reminder also that unlike religion and faiths, Science isn't afraid to say "we don't know" or "more work is needed" ...and sometimes to poke fun at our ignorance.


Very good point Billy. :wink:
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Re: Religion in Cyprus

Postby bill cobbett » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:29 am

Maxx wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:How is modern day physics/maths any different to magic/mysticism when their 'experimantion' depends on hocus-pocus?

Renormalisation involved resetting the electron's naked mass and charge to the finite empirical values, cancelling out all infinities. With this fix, QED made predictions more accurate than any other theory in physics. Of course, it was not a particularly satisfying solution. Instead of predicting the electron's mass and charge from first principles, the theory's mathematics had to be tweaked with experiment-bought information to make the sums work out. Feynman referred to it as "hocus-pocus" - but it worked.
New Scientist


Go with God.


Our dear GI Girl... you'll know better than most that (that unlike all-knowing religions) Science doesn't promise to have all the answers, but Science does promise to search for the answers and to find more questions and Richard Feynman's quote above is really very much in keeping with the man's humour as a great populariser of Science, to put across to laypeople (!) in simple language just how massively difficult it is to predict values in the real world for fundamental particles and forces from theory, of how much work is left to do in the field.

Easiest thing in the modern world to measure the charge and mass of a fundamental particle, but Science asks the "why" question, something religions are rubbish at. Why does an electron weigh this much, or why is its charge such and such a value, why is gravity so ridiculously weaker than the other forces etc etc

A reminder also that unlike religion and faiths, Science isn't afraid to say "we don't know" or "more work is needed" ...and sometimes to poke fun at our ignorance.


Very good point Billy. :wink:


Why, thank you Maxx... just find it hard to believe that GI Girl posted that bit quoted... perhaps she can elaborate, elucidate, theorise, experiment for our better understanding.
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Re: Religion in Cyprus

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:35 am

bill cobbett wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:How is modern day physics/maths any different to magic/mysticism when their 'experimantion' depends on hocus-pocus?

Renormalisation involved resetting the electron's naked mass and charge to the finite empirical values, cancelling out all infinities. With this fix, QED made predictions more accurate than any other theory in physics. Of course, it was not a particularly satisfying solution. Instead of predicting the electron's mass and charge from first principles, the theory's mathematics had to be tweaked with experiment-bought information to make the sums work out. Feynman referred to it as "hocus-pocus" - but it worked.
New Scientist


Go with God.


Our dear GI Girl... you'll know better than most that (that unlike all-knowing religions) Science doesn't promise to have all the answers, but Science does promise to search for the answers and to find more questions and Richard Feynman's quote above is really very much in keeping with the man's humour as a great populariser of Science, to put across to laypeople (!) in simple language just how massively difficult it is to predict values in the real world for fundamental particles and forces from theory, of how much work is left to do in the field.

Easiest thing in the modern world to measure the charge and mass of a fundamental particle, but Science asks the "why" question, something religions are rubbish at. Why does an electron weigh this much, or why is its charge such and such a value, why is gravity so ridiculously weaker than the other forces etc etc

A reminder also that unlike religion and faiths, Science isn't afraid to say "we don't know" or "more work is needed" ...and sometimes to poke fun at our ignorance.


You are confused between science and the need to explain everything. It leads to corruption and then only a little 'tweaking' can help - as above. Let's stand back and separate science from the hocus pocus, which is otherwise no different to faith-based religion.
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Re: Religion in Cyprus

Postby Mindy » Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:01 pm

I have been interviewed! I had to laugh when the interviewer didn't have a "space" for atheist. I am an "other". I told her, does that mean I'm in there with the Buddhists or what?

Apparently, there is no spot for atheist. I encountered a similar issue when getting married. The municipality didn't have a box to check--I was a write-in. :D
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Re: Religion in Cyprus

Postby Atheist » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:54 am

Mindy wrote:I have been interviewed! I had to laugh when the interviewer didn't have a "space" for atheist. I am an "other". I told her, does that mean I'm in there with the Buddhists or what?

Apparently, there is no spot for atheist. I encountered a similar issue when getting married. The municipality didn't have a box to check--I was a write-in. :D


If that is indeed the case then several questions arise. In the previous census they explicitly state a percentage of atheists and non-religious people. Will everybody now be grouped in the "other" category - something which is obviously incorrect? Will they come up with some atheist and non-religious percentage even though this option was not part of their questionnaire? Why are they doing this? I will reserve my conclusions until I have enough evidence but there is something obviously fishy here.
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