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Will Greeks (Ottomans) reject the EU bailout and austerity measures?


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The ultimate Ottomania test for Greeks

Postby Maxx » Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:14 am

Referendum promised on EU deal

Greece threw the eurozone into fresh turmoil last night by announcing that it would allow voters the chance to reject the emergency bailout package agreed in Brussels last week.

The Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou said he would call a referendum on the European Union aid package .

Opinion polls in Greece show that most people do not support the austerity deal.

Last week eurozone leaders agreed on a 100bn-euro loan (£86:$140bn) to Athens and a 50% debt write-off, as part of a deal aimed tackling the euro crisis.

But there have been large-scale protests in Greece against the austerity measures demanded by the EU.

Analysts say a referendum could derail the wider deal on the euro debt crisis.

The Greek rescue package is a key part of the agreement reached in the early hours of Thursday after marathon talks by eurozone leaders.

They said banks holding Greek debt accepted a 50% loss, the eurozone bailout fund will be boosted to about 1tn euros (£880bn; $1.4tn) and banks will have to raise more capital.

http://famagusta-gazette.com/referendum ... 372-69.htm


Well, this could very well prove beyond any doubt the Ottoman tendencies of Greeks who may very well be given an opportunity to reject the EU rescue package by rejecting the Government's austerity measures.

Now, Ottoman remnants of Cyprus, please answer this; would this not indicate to the entire world and to Cypriot nationalists that Greeks are just a corrupted society who couldn't care less about their country, and are quite happy to run it into the ground through their pitiful selfishness, and at the same time expect pensions, medical services, education, and infrastructure?

Does this not indicate that Greeks would sooner spit in the face of their future generations than pay some tax? Which other nation could do such a thing under such dire circumstances? :?

One thing is for sure, a Cypriot nationalist places Cyprus above all else, is a caring and loving guardian of the Cypriot State, Culture and identity, which he/she sees as their moral obligation to pass on to its inheritors. This is what segregates a Cypriot Nationalist from an Ottoman remnant. Selflessness! :)
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Re: The ultimate Ottomania test for Greeks

Postby kurupetos » Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:47 pm

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Re: The ultimate Ottomania test for Greeks

Postby Maxx » Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:33 pm

An interesting article:

Athens: New World to Emulate

Athens is the dirtiest, foulest, most-disorganized city I've visited in decades. The capital city of Greece is ripe with pollution; there isn't a motorbike that doesn't snort emissions far worse than cars. I can't get enough of it and you can sense the excitement in every section of town. Each person wants to help make this nation great again.

I am drawn to the pact the citizens have made with each other to do whatever it takes to improve the bad scene that scares everyone I've met. (Bizarrely, there is nonstop graffiti on every pubic available space that appears to be an encouraged outlet!) Still, if you ask any Athenian he will tell you "I have no idea how to fix this. I just know doing it will be painful for us all." To fix this place there must be some consensus on what went wrong, and this Government can't even say that its decisions have been bad for decades.

Not a political reporter by trade, I have spent four decades running towards cultural happenings before their awareness is widely known for magazines, newspapers, TV commentary -- and via fiery blog posts. Here in Civil War Athens I blanched when I was first told about the Government's policies on getting away with it -- there isn't anything the Greek Government won't do for its friends -- and I wonder if the organized strikes the world witnesses so casually are only the first spark of hell for this godforsaken place.

The entire town sat still for 48 hours while protesters took over the city square, forcing every business that sold anything to shut down in solidarity. (It's wild to find everything here being unionized while none of these groups are, to the naked eye, connected by ideals.) The local pharmacy closed to protest a law that says anyone with a permit -- even an optometrist -- can naturally pass it down to his next of kin. This is madness. If you own a taxi medallion you can hand it to anyone you know at a price set -- by you.

This is a place that, since the torturing junta was thrown out in 1974, turned to a definition of democracy that says "Here!" Public sector jobs are given to whoever the giver knows. There are no standards here -- a recent census proved every family has an unwarranted worker among them. There has been a general acceptance of tax evasion for anyone who has a cash business including service pros, General Contractors and any smart ass who could take cash. The only people who hate these facts are the ones in the streets now. Does this sound familiar? A relatively small percentage of the nation makes a lot of money -- and everyone is under- or unemployed. Sound familiar? Made a lot of people rich -- and the rest of the people unemployed. It is such a known fact how Greece has been bilked by its childish leaders and "those in the know," in its shamelessness it renders Bernie Ebbers and that Tyco freak petty thieves. Only thing that surprises Greek citizens is how long it took for these outrageous backwards laws, a known house of cards, to bankrupt the whole nation.

Patronage is a word that you don't hear much in the "first world". Here it is a matter of record. The citizens are asking millions of Greeks with work paid for by Government to stop their selfishness and think of the whole: They want workers to work in jobs that are sanctioned; they know some of them will be unemployed and sacrifice is the word everyone throws around. It may seem comical to the British or American, but no one in Greece has ever been "made redundant" and yet there are more than two people doing every public sector job. So this is political nightmare that can only be undone when tough, swallowable rules are voted upon. Don't forget: two years ago when the I.M.F. asked leaders how many Government employees existed the answer was no one had ever counted!

Older people and young kids are holding placards in the city center alongside those you expect at a loud protest. (Police are reticent to act; they appear to recognize friends in the crowd.) All the people are asking, from where I stand, is that jobs are kept by the ones who work their asses off and pay correct taxes -- jobs that are unnecessary must cease. And, yes, union heads must agree to take concessions in order for the European Union to loan Greece all the funds it needs to keep it from losing incoming travelers.

After a week here I believe that these leaders are childish and scared to change; and that Greek professional workers will never accept those in power. A lady I like here said: "You have laws in your country and we don't. I'd hope Americans realize how lucky they are every day."

I am proud of all Greeks in what I am calling the European Fall because although it is hard to breathe the air and the trash guys still refuse to budge, no one is fleeing -- I haven't met anyone who wants to abandon what they started. "Something has got to give," a lively store clerk said with a sudden sad expression. "I have a job today and am lucky; tomorrow I probably will not. Who can know!" There is a sense Greeks will accept what may come -- even if it means the worst. Like all Mediterraneans, at night The Plaka is packed with partiers. I don't see a lot of Athenians staying home eating takeout -- they need to converge. When I asked a new friend in a trendy café in Gazi -- once a slum, now a super-busy Soho--he shrugged. "We will get through it--but we'll be hard to recognize on the other side."

It's difficult to sleep. The hotel window is open and the buzz outside is palpable even as the daily The New York Times claims Greece is turning a corner I think not: The nation will fall hard before its revival because no one on any of the multiple sides wants to budge. The next time I come here I'm certain nothing will be the same. There will be many people out of work. Taxes will be paid by people who have never filled out a form. Undeserved funds handed by the European Union--which Greece should never have joined--will have been spent and a hand will be out again. Garbage will be collected by private entities. Each union will ask for concessions and most will be thrown a bone. Yes, strikes will occur every day. The tourist areas will be separated and likely overseen by troops. There will be many people to blame, and a whole country to thank, for the changes. The Ancient Greeks will be proud.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-l ... 26838.html
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Re: The ultimate Ottomania test for Greeks

Postby Cap » Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:06 pm

Guess you were right dude.

Socialism.... remember that word.
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Re: The ultimate Ottomania test for Greeks

Postby humanist » Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:39 pm

care factor ZERO .......... the meso has got them and they need to get out of it. There are rich people who need to be taxed further
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Re: The ultimate Ottomania test for Greeks

Postby kurupetos » Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:47 pm

humanist wrote:care factor ZERO .......... the meso has got them and they need to get out of it. There are rich people who need to be taxed further

Their money is already in Switzerland. :|
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Re: The ultimate Ottomania test for Greeks

Postby Maxx » Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:55 am

kurupetos wrote:
humanist wrote:care factor ZERO .......... the meso has got them and they need to get out of it. There are rich people who need to be taxed further

Their money is already in Switzerland. :|


See what I mean? You Ottoman remnants are just a bunch of worthless and selfish traitors to their countries, whether that be Greece or Cyprus. You don't deserve a country, and the sooner Cypriot Nationalists cut and expell you from Cyprus like the cancer you are, the better off we Cypriots will be. :lol:
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Re: The ultimate Ottomania test for Greeks

Postby kurupetos » Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:37 am

Get Smart wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
humanist wrote:care factor ZERO .......... the meso has got them and they need to get out of it. There are rich people who need to be taxed further

Their money is already in Switzerland. :|


See what I mean? You Ottoman remnants are just a bunch of worthless and selfish traitors to their countries, whether that be Greece or Cyprus. You don't deserve a country, and the sooner Cypriot Nationalists cut and expell you from Cyprus like the cancer you are, the better off we Cypriots will be. :lol:

Re ma trois lain? :?
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Re: The ultimate Ottomania test for Greeks

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:26 am

...the Greeks will be forced to decide for themselves, are they Europeans?

...and if yes, then they will show the other members the way forward. it may have been a mistake like Sarkozy says to have let them in to the EU, but he sounds like a Turk when he says that, all innocence when it itself, the EU, started with a corruption scandal. Greece is Europe, Europe is Greece; or not.
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Re: The ultimate Ottomania test for Greeks

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:09 am

As an observation I think the that to applythe term ottoman remnants to Greece is deeply insulting: it can apply equally to any nation that was apart of the Ottoman empire.

The Greeks will vote against the bailout measures because too may of them do not understand simple politico economic facts, namely where government money comes from.
This does not just apply in Greece. Most people are quite happy for governments to spend but they are less happy to see the corollary which is taxation. Just as in the long term household cannot spend more than it earns so in the long term governments cannot do the same. Borrowing is only a means of spreading or putting-off the payback period but the money must still be repaid.

That is the problem with Russain Loan Cyprus is taking out - it does NOT solve the problem of why we have a problem, and borrowing to pay back borrowing is nearly alwysa bad.
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