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[Maxx]

As an observation I think the that to applythe term ottoman remnants to Greece is deeply insulting: it can apply equally to any nation that was apart of the Ottoman empire.

A Cypriot nationalist will always find Hellenism deeply insulting.

Is it not amazing that Papandreou has made a non Ottoman decision by cancelling the referrendum so as to accept the EU bailout package and implementing austerity measures?

The bad thing is, we will never know how many "Greeks" are Ottoman.

[bill cobbett]

As an observation I think the that to applythe term ottoman remnants to Greece is deeply insulting: it can apply equally to any nation that was apart of the Ottoman empire.

A Cypriot nationalist will always find Hellenism deeply insulting.

Is it not amazing that Papandreou has made a non Ottoman decision by cancelling the referrendum so as to accept the EU bailout package and implementing austerity measures?

The bad thing is, we will never know how many "Greeks" are Ottoman.

This "Hellenism" business... tend to think of it as a neo-Atheneucian Tyranny.

[Maxx]

As an observation I think the that to applythe term ottoman remnants to Greece is deeply insulting: it can apply equally to any nation that was apart of the Ottoman empire.

A Cypriot nationalist will always find Hellenism deeply insulting.

Is it not amazing that Papandreou has made a non Ottoman decision by cancelling the referrendum so as to accept the EU bailout package and implementing austerity measures?

The bad thing is, we will never know how many "Greeks" are Ottoman.

This "Hellenism" business... tend to think of it as a neo-Atheneucian Tyranny.

Can I ask you whether you may think that a Referendum was a good idea?

I tend to think it is not, only because it is too risky. The people could reject the bailout, and Greece could collapse.

[bill cobbett]

As an observation I think the that to applythe term ottoman remnants to Greece is deeply insulting: it can apply equally to any nation that was apart of the Ottoman empire.

A Cypriot nationalist will always find Hellenism deeply insulting.

Is it not amazing that Papandreou has made a non Ottoman decision by cancelling the referrendum so as to accept the EU bailout package and implementing austerity measures?

The bad thing is, we will never know how many "Greeks" are Ottoman.

This "Hellenism" business... tend to think of it as a neo-Atheneucian Tyranny.

Can I ask you whether you may think that a Referendum was a good idea?

I tend to think it is not, only because it is too risky. The people could reject the bailout, and Greece could collapse.

The last rescue package of a few days ago was agreed, it was a binding contract, there was no mention of it being conditional on popular approval, so to my mind a bad idea cos the EU Leaders and others had spent weeks and months coming to it, the markets had factored it in and for the past few days there has been confusion with markets tumbling.

Think also maybe the Greek PM may have been outrageously astute by using the idea of introducing a referendum and then cancelling it (if indeed he has) as a political scare tactic to get the opposition on board with the austerity measures (or at least to trap them to share some of the blame for the very hard times ahead) and so spread the political price amongst all the political parties and maybe the threat of a ref was/is to get a better bail-out deal from the EU and the banks.

[Maxx]

As an observation I think the that to applythe term ottoman remnants to Greece is deeply insulting: it can apply equally to any nation that was apart of the Ottoman empire.

A Cypriot nationalist will always find Hellenism deeply insulting.

Is it not amazing that Papandreou has made a non Ottoman decision by cancelling the referrendum so as to accept the EU bailout package and implementing austerity measures?

The bad thing is, we will never know how many "Greeks" are Ottoman.

This "Hellenism" business... tend to think of it as a neo-Atheneucian Tyranny.

Can I ask you whether you may think that a Referendum was a good idea?

I tend to think it is not, only because it is too risky. The people could reject the bailout, and Greece could collapse.

The last rescue package of a few days ago was agreed, it was a binding contract, there was no mention of it being conditional on popular approval, so to my mind a bad idea cos the EU Leaders and others had spent weeks and months coming to it, the markets had factored it in and for the past few days there has been confusion with markets tumbling.

Think also maybe the Greek PM may have been outrageously astute by using the idea of introducing a referendum and then cancelling it (if indeed he has) as a political scare tactic to get the opposition on board with the austerity measures (or at least to trap them to share some of the blame for the very hard times ahead) and so spread the political price amongst all the political parties and maybe the threat of a ref was/is to get a better bail-out deal from the EU and the banks.

Thanks Bill.

If that be the case, I would have to agree that the move was incredibly astute.

[repulsewarrior]

...it is a question of will; easy to criticise, but you get nothing for free. indeed let the People choose, this is Democracy, and as a Leader choosing to call a Referendum, it is a sign of this issue's importance, without political Unity no choice is going to be good enough.

...interesting, Greeks are living in a bi-communal relationship with the other members in their larger identity, not as Nations, but a State. Sarkosy like a rat denies that Europe is a better place with Greece for reasons which I find hard to understand. In any case, a call to a Referendum is a wake-up call; in this case, without one much has been done already as Europeans toward their monetary abilities (whether it is(was) Greece or another member).

...here it is: Universal Values and Personal Gain conflicting, due to an Ignorance which allowed the plunder.

...do Greeks accept this shame and change, does "Europe" accept their own inadequacies and change?

[kimon07]

About "Lazy Greeks"

http://independence4wales.com/2011/4-wa ... nd-british

http://www.marxist.com/myth-of-lazy-greek-workers.htm

http://www.merge-left.org/2011/07/10/lazy-greeks/

Do some of you feel stupid now?

[kimon07]

About "Dirty Cities"

To Maxx with my sympathy.

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/15274501

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -city.html

http://www.aardvarktravel.net/chat/view ... hp?t=34014

[Maxx]

About "Lazy Greeks"

http://independence4wales.com/2011/4-wa ... nd-british

http://www.marxist.com/myth-of-lazy-greek-workers.htm

http://www.merge-left.org/2011/07/10/lazy-greeks/

Do some of you feel stupid now?

No, you should feel stupid for posting these trash links.

[Maxx]

About "Dirty Cities"

To Maxx with my sympathy.

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/15274501

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -city.html

http://www.aardvarktravel.net/chat/view ... hp?t=34014

Erm, why would I give a damn about London?