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Talat: Christofias wanted a solution but He was scared

Postby halil » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:22 pm

We were very close to a solution with Christofias....He says that all the issues on the chapter of government apart from the question of citizenship, had been agreed upon in early 2010, when the UN Secretary-General was due to come to Cyprus and announce what progress had been achieved.
However, nothing was announced, he said because “Christofias was afraid of his partners in government.” He added: “Since we had agreed, what was the problem with announcing it?”
Christofias made various excuses such as that this wasn’t real progress, he said, and now he says that Eroglu is reneging on previous agreements. “For me these things are incomprehensible”.

“I told him, Dimitri, you will not find anyone like me who wants a solution to the Cyprus problem. Come let’s solve it now. My mission is to solve the problem, Eroglu’s is partition. My objective in politics was a solution, nothing else. I was not interested in politics without a solution. If we solve the problem, I will withdraw. He was telling me if we solve it we will stay another term to implement it. I said, come let’s solve it first and we’ll see”.
He said Christofias didn’t recognise the danger that Eroglu coming to power presented. He believed that Turkey wanted a solution and that the Turkish Cypriots would just go along.

“But things aren’t like that at all”, he added. “ Turkey cannot impose a solution without the Turkish Cypriots’ cooperation”.

Asked how come in 2004 Turkey turned against Denktash, Talat said “I was the leader in 2004 and the people were out in the streets calling for a solution. Today things are different.
We lost another opportunity in 2010 as we did in 2004, he said. “I assure you in all honesty that we were ready for a solution and Turkey was with us. Now things have changed. It’s a shame because I believe we could have solved it”.
Despite the fact that he acknowledged Christofias had the good intention to solve the problem, he didn’t have the same sense of urgency that Talat had.
“I maintained that if we didn’t solve it now things would get even more complicated. We would all be lost. I tried to convince him that we should involve Greece, Turkey and the international community. The burden of finding a solution was too great for us to carry on our own. Unfortunately he did not respond to this sense of urgency”.
Talat went on to say that Christofias seemed afraid to proceed. “Dimitris wanted, but was cowardly. He wanted to majority of Greek Cypriot to support him, 80%. This is unreasonable”.
He added that possibly his backing off in 2004 was for the same reason. “What he did then, remains an open wound”, Talat said, although they never discussed it. “I felt he didn’t want to”.
“That decision was a black hole in the history of Akel”, he added. “They made many mistakes, for example their support for Enosis. But 2004 was a special mistake. To say no to an agreement which you say was good, was a mistake that will go down in history, especially if the opportunity doesn’t come up again”.
He also admitted that at Burgenstock he had asked Christofias whether he would vote yes for the plan he replied “are you mad, of course yes”.
“He later denied it. Perhaps he forgot. But I remember”, Talat went on. We know that when he came back from Burgenstock he persuaded his Political Bureau to vote yes and criticised Papadopoulos for saying that the Anan plan was partition. Then at the Central Committee they said that I had said that we would not implement the plan. Now that was a big lie and they used it for propaganda to excuse their change of stance”.

Talat also gave his view on the natural gas issue. He said he believes that all the island’s natural resources belong to both communities, as was in the Anan plan. “This is a fair position”, he said. “But you are wrong to think that the nationalists on our side want a portion of the gas. They don’t. They want boundaries. What’s in the south let the Greek Cypriots have, what’s in the north the Turkish Cypriots. That’s their position. Me, I don’t want borders, neither on land nor in the sea”.............. :!: :!: :!:
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Re: Talat: Christofias wanted a solution but He was scared

Postby Maxx » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:33 pm

“But things aren’t like that at all”, he added. “ Turkey cannot impose a solution without the Turkish Cypriots’ cooperation”.


This is the most ridiculous statement. If Turkey wanted a solution then there would be a solution now. But all we see is a belligerent Turkey causing great problems in the region and becomming a source for tremendous instability.

Turkey is in charge, and the TCs have been reduced to a minority. Their voices silenced forever.

Talat also gave his view on the natural gas issue. He said he believes that all the island’s natural resources belong to both communities, as was in the Anan plan. “This is a fair position”, he said. “But you are wrong to think that the nationalists on our side want a portion of the gas. They don’t. They want boundaries. What’s in the south let the Greek Cypriots have, what’s in the north the Turkish Cypriots. That’s their position. Me, I don’t want borders, neither on land nor in the sea”..............


Another ridiculous statement by Talat.

The Annan Plan gave the United Kingdom an EEZ in Cyprus. Therefore, much of the RoC's natural gas deposits would not be owned by the RoC, GCs or TCs, but the United Kingdom instead.

Halil neglects to mention that fact with his selective reporting.

Just another valid reason why the Annan Plan was rejected.
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Re: Talat: Christofias wanted a solution but He was scared

Postby Piratis » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:43 pm

Me, I don’t want borders, neither on land nor in the sea


The Annan plan was about officially dividing Cyprus into Greek and Turkish parts. Isn't this what Talat wanted? He proved to be another partitionist. He had several years to do the right thing and agree to a solution that would liberate Cyprus and would create a democratic state were everybody was equal without any racist descriminations, but he either didn't want such a solution or he didn't have the power to agree to such a solution. All we got from him was the same old partitionist Turkish position.
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Re: Talat: Christofias wanted a solution but He was scared

Postby Maxx » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:46 pm

Piratis wrote:
Me, I don’t want borders, neither on land nor in the sea


The Annan plan was about officially dividing Cyprus into Greek and Turkish parts. Isn't this what Talat wanted? He proved to be another partitionist. He had several years to do the right thing and agree to a solution that would liberate Cyprus and would create a democratic state were everybody was equal without any racist descriminations, but he either didn't want such a solution or he didn't have the power to agree to such a solution. All we got from him was the same old partitionist Turkish position.


Is this not what most Greek Cypriots want as well? :roll:
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Re: Talat: Christofias wanted a solution but He was scared

Postby Piratis » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:47 pm

The Annan Plan gave the United Kingdom an EEZ in Cyprus. Therefore, much of the RoC's natural gas deposits would not be owned by the RoC, GCs or TCs, but the United Kingdom instead.


A few said that rejecting the Annan plan was a mistake that we would regret. On the contrary the more time passes the more faults about this terrible partition plan are revealed and we can only be relieved that we didn't suicide by accepting it.
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Re: Talat: Christofias wanted a solution but He was scared

Postby Piratis » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:50 pm

Get Smart wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Me, I don’t want borders, neither on land nor in the sea


The Annan plan was about officially dividing Cyprus into Greek and Turkish parts. Isn't this what Talat wanted? He proved to be another partitionist. He had several years to do the right thing and agree to a solution that would liberate Cyprus and would create a democratic state were everybody was equal without any racist descriminations, but he either didn't want such a solution or he didn't have the power to agree to such a solution. All we got from him was the same old partitionist Turkish position.


Is this not what most Greek Cypriots want as well? :roll:


If it was then there wouldn't be a Cyprus Problem today. If that is what most GCs wanted then they would simply recognize the "trnc". One must be really naive to believe that what GCs want is to gift their lands to the invaders.
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Re: Talat: Christofias wanted a solution but He was scared

Postby Maxx » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:52 pm

Piratis wrote:
The Annan Plan gave the United Kingdom an EEZ in Cyprus. Therefore, much of the RoC's natural gas deposits would not be owned by the RoC, GCs or TCs, but the United Kingdom instead.


A few said that rejecting the Annan plan was a mistake that we would regret. On the contrary the more time passes the more faults about this terrible partition plan are revealed and we can only be relieved that we didn't suicide by accepting it.


No there was no mistake. There was no other choice but to reject it. The correct decision was made.

There was NOTHING within the Annan Plan for us to justify accepting it. I have major issues with a british EEZ in Cyprus as well.
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Re: Talat: Christofias wanted a solution but He was scared

Postby Maxx » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:57 pm

Piratis wrote:
Get Smart wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Me, I don’t want borders, neither on land nor in the sea


The Annan plan was about officially dividing Cyprus into Greek and Turkish parts. Isn't this what Talat wanted? He proved to be another partitionist. He had several years to do the right thing and agree to a solution that would liberate Cyprus and would create a democratic state were everybody was equal without any racist descriminations, but he either didn't want such a solution or he didn't have the power to agree to such a solution. All we got from him was the same old partitionist Turkish position.


Is this not what most Greek Cypriots want as well? :roll:


If it was then there wouldn't be a Cyprus Problem today. If that is what most GCs wanted then they would simply recognize the "trnc". One must be really naive to believe that what GCs want is to gift their lands to the invaders.


You know what I meant by that post. I do not mean that the GCs would willingly want partition or support it, but they are contributing to it unknowingly if you like, and some TCs are contributing knowingly.
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Re: Talat: Christofias wanted a solution but He was scared

Postby Jerry » Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:37 am

halil wrote:

“But things aren’t like that at all”, he added. “ Turkey cannot impose a solution without the Turkish Cypriots’ cooperation”.



Bit of a contradiction here, Halil, it looks like Mrs Talat had a better grip on reality than her husband.

In a telling episode, Mrs. Talat (who by chance sat
next to the Ambassador on a recent plane ride) bitterly
complained of the pressure the GOT was placing on her
instinctively pro-settlement husband. Despite his cautious
efforts to carve out more autonomy from Turkey (ref v), Talat
is hemmed in by an AKP government that is in no mood to
compromise, either on Cyprus issues or its own Cyprus-related
EU issues.
If Ankara cannot be convinced to change its tune
and allow Talat the freedom to engage in a talks that lead
meaningful settlement process, the Cyprus stalemate will
continue -- with potentially disastrous consequences for
Turkish EU accession.

SCHLICHER
http://www.wikileaks.ch/cable/2006/08/06NICOSIA1345.html
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Re: Talat: Christofias wanted a solution but He was scared

Postby Nikitas » Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:07 am

Yet another Cypriot politician with a "lost opportunity" story. Aren't you sick of them all?

What was stopping Talat from holding a press conference back then, when he was in power, to tell ALL Cypriots how close they were to a solution, to force Christofias and other GC politicians' hand?

He did not do it, instead he behaved like a close minded Turkish mukhtar. I watched his interviews to mainland Greek TV, and read his statements carefully. He always held a hard line, always underlining the Turkish point of view.

He mentions the issue of governance, but keeps quiet about territory and properties, as if those had been solved. We all know they were then, as they are now, left till last. So they were not solved during his term.

His take on the natural gas issue is interesting. The partitionists want to partition the EEZ, but this obviously clashes with what Turkey is doing right now. Is that impying that there is a divide between the partitionist TCs and Turkey? Is he kidding?
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