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What is their ethnicity?

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What is the ethnicity of those Cypriots who do not belong to the main Cypriot ethnic groups?

Arabic
3
25%
Kurdish
1
8%
Iranian
2
17%
Gypsy
5
42%
A mix of the above
1
8%
 
Total votes : 12

Re: What is their ethnicity?

Postby Maxx » Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:28 pm

Sotos wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Language is only ONE aspect of ethnicity


We are Greek in every aspect. Religion, culture and everything else... not just language ;)


In the beginning, Australians, and Americans would have similar hangups, but they have progressed and evolved through every generation to get to where they are. Both young countries, but Cyprus is even younger, and has endured centuries of invasions and occupations.

Within a couple of generations, your grand children and great grand children will reject everything that is Greek, and stop denying themselves their true inheritance. This is a gradual but inevitable process, so it is best you accept your fate now.

Resistance is futile. Accept your destiny. Accept Cypriotness and trash all other enemies to Cyprus, Greek and Turkish.
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Re: What is their ethnicity?

Postby Hermes » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:31 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:No the that is the point: the Pelasgians did NOT die out:.. what did die out was their language and culture.

We cannot even be sure who these "Pelasgians" were. All we know is that the neoliths became absorbed into the wider Greek world and their culture died. We know roughly when Hellenic culture took root in Cyprus however and that Cyprus has evolved through the classical, Hellenistic and Byzantine phases of the Greek world.

It's a mistake though to think of Cyprus as just a passive recipient of Greek culture. It has also been an active contributor to the Hellenic world: both in classical times as well as through the Christian eras. In modern times, Cyprus continues to enrich Greek culture through its inspiration to writers, artists and musicians and through example in its continuing struggle for independence. As Kazantzakis observed of the liberation struggle of the 1950s:

Certain fundamental principles still live and reign, daughters of man, whom he has created with his own sweat, blood, tears. And these are the immortal ones. Most of them were born in Greece: freedom, human dignity, the thirst for justice...

As apt today as it was then. So please don't reduce Cyprus to the status of a Greek "colony". Cyprus has always given back its share to the Greek world and no doubt it will continue to do so...
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Re: What is their ethnicity?

Postby Get Real! » Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:47 am

Hermes wrote:We cannot even be sure who these "Pelasgians" were. All we know is that the neoliths became absorbed into the wider Greek world and their culture died. We know roughly when Hellenic culture took root in Cyprus however and that Cyprus has evolved through the classical, Hellenistic and Byzantine phases of the Greek world.

It's a mistake though to think of Cyprus as just a passive recipient of Greek culture. It has also been an active contributor to the Hellenic world: both in classical times as well as through the Christian eras. In modern times, Cyprus continues to enrich Greek culture through its inspiration to writers, artists and musicians and through example in its continuing struggle for independence. As Kazantzakis observed of the liberation struggle of the 1950s:

Certain fundamental principles still live and reign, daughters of man, whom he has created with his own sweat, blood, tears. And these are the immortal ones. Most of them were born in Greece: freedom, human dignity, the thirst for justice...

As apt today as it was then. So please don't reduce Cyprus to the status of a Greek "colony". Cyprus has always given back its share to the Greek world and no doubt it will continue to do so...


There seems to be no limit to the Greek gymnasium stupidities!

What fucking “Hellenic world” and green horses are you talking about?

In the early 1800s when this Hellenic diarrhea was invented there was just over 1 million of these miserable “Greeks”, so they pulled in another 2-3 million more from Bulgarians, Albanians, Slavs, Gypsies, and whatever other illiterate shit was in the vicinity to create this so called “Greek nation”!

But if your only sources are Greek text books then how the fuck do you expect to know what really happened?

Look at it this way, if there’s only 12 million today in the 21st century, then how many of these losers do you think existed in the1800s?

If you’re not going to bother reading from neutral sources then at least start using your heads!
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Re: What is their ethnicity?

Postby Get Real! » Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:08 am

There you go… here’s your “Hellenic world” in all its glory!

http://www.populstat.info/Europe/greecec.htm

You cannot have a “world” when you’ve only got 1 million illiterate Balkan peasants bunched up in tents and mud houses in the middle of a tiny European territory that formed “Greece”! :roll:
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Re: What is their ethnicity?

Postby Maxx » Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:17 am

Sotos wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Sotos wrote:Cyprus Ethnic Groups:
Greek 77%, Turkish 18%, other 5% (2001)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... os/cy.html

Maybe the CIA is a product of a Greek gymnasium also? :lol:

The CIA "factbook" will present whatever the official government of a country will propagate and given the fact that most of these ministers are products of a Greek gymnasium and Athens Junta university, I'm not surprised by this.

The only consolation for you is that you are obviously not alone in your historical/mental shortcomings...


So why the official government of USA does not propagate that the ethnicity of its citizens is American? Why doesn't Canada propagate that the ethnicity of its citizens is Canadian? Why doesn't Australia propagate that the ethnicity of its citizens is Australian? I am not alone in my beliefs because I am right ;)


No you are not.

Each country you mention has evolved and developed its own culture, history, custom and there is indeed an American, Australian and Canadian ethnicity.

So why do you lag behind or display your shortcomming and insecurities to the world?
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Re: What is their ethnicity?

Postby Maxx » Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:50 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Hermes wrote:
Sotos wrote: those people do not say that they are a sub-group of any greater group ... they say they are a totally separate group that grew from the soil of Cyprus :lol:


You mean Pelasgians - the aboriginal peoples of Greece and Cyprus?

Before recorded Time, (c. 900 BCE) but during an active migration era of prehistoric Greece (c. 10,000 BCE), a people came into the Pelaponnesus, presumably from the north, and settled around the eastern Mediterranian coast and its islands. They were called "Pelasgians,"...

The word pelasgian means from the sea. It also means hairy. And to top it all, it means springing from the earth... sticks embedded in the earth that spring up in human form to populate their surroundings. From this we can conjure up a race of people that came from the sea, wore beards, and were "indigenous." Hence, they were the aborigines who settled the Pelaponnesus, coming before the Dorians. One might say they were the aboriginal ancestors of what we now call "Hellenes" -- today's Greeks as they have come down through the ages.


http://www.pantheon.org/articles/p/pelasgians.html


I thought he meant autochthonous - something that the ancient Athenians believed about themselves.


Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.

Where does it say that the Pelasgeans settled in Cyprus around 10,000BC? It does not mention Cyprus.

And what about the Autochthon of Cyprus? They had nothing to do with Pelasgeans of Greece, but had their own civilization, so why must this be crushed to advance the identity of a foreign people? Did the Greeks try to commit genocide in Cyprus? If so, we are right to hate them. We are right to banish and persecute them from Cyprus.

We gave them an alphabet, and they offer nothing but destruction in return.

We have our own ID, and time will heal all the psychological damage and the brainwashing you are afflicted with. We do not need Greece, and we don't want them, unless they are willing to accept the fact that they are a bunch a corrupt, and bankrupt people, who are too stupid and too backward to even run their country even. So why do they not accept their worthlessness, and attach themselves to the Cypriot Culture. In fact, why don't they hand back their so called Greek Culture to Cyprus, which they stole from us anyway?

Why should anything be called Greek? It should revert to Cypriot because we invented everything. And if they want to be identified as one, then it is THEY that must accept their rightful position as subordinates to Cyprus and it is THEY that should start to call themselves Cypriot if that is what they want.

They have done nothing but damage us, and bring our people down.

You are half Greek. So which half is the better half? Is it the top half or the bottom half? Judging by your IQ, it would have to be your bottom half. :wink:
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Re: What is their ethnicity?

Postby Maxx » Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:58 am

pvte witt wrote:
Cap wrote:According to Sotos, American, Canadian and Australian ethnicity does not exist also.

you're confusing ethnicity with nationality; in the case of these soulless nations, only the latter exists


In the case of the corrupt and backward Greek nation; it is soulless.

Making comparisons between Greece and US, Australia and Canada. :lol:

I think GreekIslandGirl has lost her Cypriot marbles..... :roll:

Whatever next? :roll:

i guess you might be right. Can't accuse the Greeks of being soulless....
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Re: What is their ethnicity?

Postby Hermes » Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:17 am

Get Real! wrote:
What fucking “Hellenic world” and green horses are you talking about?

In the early 1800s when this Hellenic diarrhea was invented there was just over 1 million of these miserable “Greeks”, so they pulled in another 2-3 million more from Bulgarians, Albanians, Slavs, Gypsies, and whatever other illiterate shit was in the vicinity to create this so called “Greek nation”!

What is this nonsense? You don't know that there were Greek communities, towns, cities and islands beyond the Peloponnese? You don't know that they spoke Greek and practised their religion and way of life and felt part of a Greek diaspora? That many of these towns and cities were never incorporated into the modern Greek state? And you think that without a modern Greek state there were no Greeks? It's never occurred to you that the Greeks are a people of the diaspora?

You think you're the only one who knows that under the Ottoman occupation, the struggle to forge a Greek nation was inspired by a rag-tag mixture of Philhellenes, poets, soldiers, patriots, mercenaries and idealists? All with different agendas. And the result was a small, unstable impoverished, backward Greek "state" with a German King. You think this is news? That even its language was a locus of contention until quite recently? That modern Greeks are a mixture of different backgrounds? This is something that people don't know?

The point is today there is a Hellenic language spoken by people who identify themselves as Ellines, who live in a region we know of as Ellada and who feel proud of the Hellenic contribution to Western civilisation. It makes no difference of the genetic purity of the Greek race. Even the ancients were a mixture of old and new, East and West. Deriding a nation because it lacks the necessary racial purity you expect of it is just pure racial fascism. You don't have to be a Greek citizen to be a Greek. As the poet Shelley put it: "We are all Greeks now."

Next time you think about asking what is this "fucking Hellenic world"? ask yourself what Shelley meant or what the Nobel Prize committee meant when it gave George Seferis the Nobel Prize for Literature and cited that the prize has been awarded to Seferis "for his eminent lyrical writing, inspired by a deep feeling for the Hellenic world of culture." A Greek from Smyrna who loved Cyprus by the way and was inspired by it.

It's a sad thing when someone who claims to be a Cypriot doesn't know what the "Hellenic world of culture" is but it makes perfect sense to a bunch of Swedes.
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Re: What is their ethnicity?

Postby Piratis » Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:24 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:I think you will find the Pelesgians possibly predate the Hellenes by as much as 8000-11000 years.

The peoples now known as Pelasgians probbaly entered Greece at the end of LGM about 10-13K years back : The Hellenes. who are relative new-comers, are described as the four tribes whose founder were said to be descended from the Mythical King Hellene, ie the Achhaean/Mycenaeans, Ionians Aeolians and Dorians, and who only seem to have entered what is now Greece in the period from about 2000 BC to 1200BC or so.


If the Hellens who entered Greece in 2000BC are "relative new-comers" then what about the English who entered what is now England in 500AD, 2500 years later?

Humans existed on earth for at least 50.000 years. All modern day ethnic groups are relatively new compared to the history of humans, but the Greeks are among the most ancient ones compared to the modern day ethnicities.

Keep in mind that the modern day ethnic groups were not created out of thin air one good day. Their creation was a long process which included movement and mixing of populations and exchange of ideas. The prehistoric peoples and their cultures did not disappear, but through this mixing and exchange of ideas they evolved. Those indo-Europeans who entered Greece in 2000BC did not bring with them the Greek Civilization. There were no great philosophers or scientists back then. The Greek civilization was something that gradually evolved in Greece (including Cyprus) over the centuries.

Cyprus is not merely a receiver of the Greek civilization (as is the case with America or Australia for the British), but one of the sources of the Greek civilization. Without Cyprus, or without Crete, or without Peloponnesus, or without Attica etc etc, the Greek civilization would not be the same and maybe it wouldn't even exist.
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Re: What is their ethnicity?

Postby Maxx » Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:33 am

Piratis wrote:Cyprus is not merely a receiver of the Greek civilization (as is the case with America or Australia for the British), but one of the sources of the Greek civilization. Without Cyprus, or without Crete, or without Peloponnesus, or without Attica etc etc, the Greek civilization would not be the same and maybe it wouldn't even exist.


You have it all wrong.

America and Australia have created their own civilisation as distinct from the British, Irish or Germanic.

And Greece was the receiver of Cypriot Civilisation, so Greek is a modern construct and is indeed misleading. They face 2 choices:

1) develop their own civilisation just like America and Australia have, or
2) accept that they are 3rd world Ottomans who were once Cypriot.
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