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What is the ethnicity of those Cypriots who do not belong to the main Cypriot ethnic groups?

Arabic
3
25%
Kurdish
1
8%
Iranian
2
17%
Gypsy
5
42%
A mix of the above
1
8%
 
Total votes : 12

Re: What is their ethnicity?

Postby Hermes » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:38 pm

Sotos wrote: those people do not say that they are a sub-group of any greater group ... they say they are a totally separate group that grew from the soil of Cyprus :lol:


You mean Pelasgians - the aboriginal peoples of Greece and Cyprus?

Before recorded Time, (c. 900 BCE) but during an active migration era of prehistoric Greece (c. 10,000 BCE), a people came into the Pelaponnesus, presumably from the north, and settled around the eastern Mediterranian coast and its islands. They were called "Pelasgians,"...

The word pelasgian means from the sea. It also means hairy. And to top it all, it means springing from the earth... sticks embedded in the earth that spring up in human form to populate their surroundings. From this we can conjure up a race of people that came from the sea, wore beards, and were "indigenous." Hence, they were the aborigines who settled the Pelaponnesus, coming before the Dorians. One might say they were the aboriginal ancestors of what we now call "Hellenes" -- today's Greeks as they have come down through the ages.


http://www.pantheon.org/articles/p/pelasgians.html
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Re: What is their ethnicity?

Postby Cap » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:46 pm

Here's another topic of old.

One of which GR will remember and ZoC/ Get Smart might enjoy.
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Re: What is their ethnicity?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:53 pm

Hermes wrote:
Sotos wrote: those people do not say that they are a sub-group of any greater group ... they say they are a totally separate group that grew from the soil of Cyprus :lol:


You mean Pelasgians - the aboriginal peoples of Greece and Cyprus?

Before recorded Time, (c. 900 BCE) but during an active migration era of prehistoric Greece (c. 10,000 BCE), a people came into the Pelaponnesus, presumably from the north, and settled around the eastern Mediterranian coast and its islands. They were called "Pelasgians,"...

The word pelasgian means from the sea. It also means hairy. And to top it all, it means springing from the earth... sticks embedded in the earth that spring up in human form to populate their surroundings. From this we can conjure up a race of people that came from the sea, wore beards, and were "indigenous." Hence, they were the aborigines who settled the Pelaponnesus, coming before the Dorians. One might say they were the aboriginal ancestors of what we now call "Hellenes" -- today's Greeks as they have come down through the ages.


http://www.pantheon.org/articles/p/pelasgians.html


I thought he meant autochthonous - something that the ancient Athenians believed about themselves.
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Re: What is their ethnicity?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:55 pm

I think you will find the Pelesgians possibly predate the Hellenes by as much as 8000-11000 years.

The peoples now known as Pelasgians probbaly entered Greece at the end of LGM about 10-13K years back : The Hellenes. who are relative new-comers, are described as the four tribes whose founder were said to be descended from the Mythical King Hellene, ie the Achhaean/Mycenaeans, Ionians Aeolians and Dorians, and who only seem to have entered what is now Greece in the period from about 2000 BC to 1200BC or so.
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Re: What is their ethnicity?

Postby Cap » Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:21 pm

As a kid in South Africa, the first taste of 'Greece' came in 1991.
It made headline news for weeks.

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Re: What is their ethnicity?

Postby yialousa1971 » Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:05 pm

GR sees himself as Arabic. :(
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Re: What is their ethnicity?

Postby Hermes » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:58 pm

Yes the pre-historic Pelasgians, a neolithic people, died out as they were absorbed into the Hellenic world. In Cyprus they were mainly based around Ancient Amathus and were regarded as autochthonous. Once the Mycenean Greeks arrived from 1400BC onwards the island took on its distinctive Greek character which it retains today. So much so that when the novelist Nikos Kazantzakis visited Cyprus in the 1950s he remarked...

For several years I went back to Cyprus, enchanted by her Greek light and pleasant air....
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Re: What is their ethnicity?

Postby humanist » Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:08 pm

Sotos I believe that I am a Cypriot who speaks Greek. Just like Australians can say I am Australian and this is after 200 years of White settlement Cypriots can say I am Cypriot regardless of the language or religious group they have.

I do believe that we have now years of experience to say I am Cypriot.
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Re: What is their ethnicity?

Postby Maxx » Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:20 pm

Sotos wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Sotos wrote:There is no Cypriot Ethnicity. The term Cypriot refers to the local population of Cyprus most of whom are of the Greek ethnicity. The Ottomans differentiated people by calling them Christians and Muslims. They didn't need to invent anything ;) Next thing you will be telling us that Ottomans forced Cypriots to speak in Greek :lol: If we go by your definition then Turkish Cypriots, Armenian Cypriots, Latin Cypriots etc are not Cypriots.

There is not a shred of evidence to back your nonsense! :roll:

It follows that the natives of ANY given country inherit the ethnicity bestowed upon them by their ancient ancestors and not that of irrelevant people from far away lands! :lol:

Forget the Greek gymnasium rubbish Sotos and start using your common sense!


Our ancestors were Greek which is why we speak Greek for 1000s of years. It makes perfect sense. And yes the ancestors of the majority of the people in USA, Australia and Canada were English that is why they speak English.


Have you ever been to any of these countries!

These countries are grown up, all of them are mature democracies, that have forged their own identity though sheer determination, and sacrifice. One even fought a costly war against its so called "mother" and won. There is NOTHING English or French about either one.

They are American, Australian, and Canadians, and it appears that these races are far more superior and advance than you. Why if they saw what you write, they wouldn't know whether to laugh or cry.

You tell them that they are English and you might even get a black eye. :lol:
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Re: What is their ethnicity?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:21 pm

Hermes wrote:Yes the pre-historic Pelasgians, a neolithic people, died out as they were absorbed into the Hellenic world. In Cyprus they were mainly based around Ancient Amathus and were regarded as autochthonous. Once the Mycenean Greeks arrived from 1400BC onwards the island took on its distinctive Greek character which it retains today. So much so that when the novelist Nikos Kazantzakis visited Cyprus in the 1950s he remarked...

For several years I went back to Cyprus, enchanted by her Greek light and pleasant air....



No the that is the point: the Pelasgians did NOT die out: nor did the Eteo Cretans nor the Eteo Cypriots (The Choriokotians as some maycall them): those peoples still provide the majority of the genetic stock: what did die out was their language and culture: In Greece basically the Hellenistic folk dominated politically so anyone who wanted to get on took on their language and religion.

The cambridge Ancient History reports that there are clear indications of trade between Mycenaean Greece and Cyprus in about 1400bC, which grew after the fall of the Minoans at about that time but the evidence suggests there was no obvious settlement since other comcomiants of Mycenaean settlement are missing. Mycenaean settlments inCyprus (often taking over eteo Cypriot sites) only appear to have arisen in the 11th Century when the Mycenean civilisation collapsed in mainland Greece.
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