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[DooDaDoo]

Your grandparents may have also “died out” but that doesn’t mean you no longer remember, respect, and honor them…

Are you comparing your grandparents to a script (that didn't even perfectly represent the language) that has been dead for 2300 years? My point was that it didn't leave any descendants, i.e. the Greek alphabet wasn't derived from it.

[Maxx]

The Cypriot syllabary died out....

Your grandparents may have also “died out” but that doesn’t mean you no longer remember, respect, and honor them…

The only thing that has seemed to die out are all your brain cells bar 2 which, if they collide at their speed, they will cause a nuclear holocaust.

It's best we turn you into a WMD now and send you home to Turkey, where you can join your brethren.

[Get Real!]

The very fine thread by which the Greek gymnasium theory hangs, is of a sudden arrival of multitudes of Mycenaeans to Cyprus! But of course there is not a shred of evidence to support that and it doesn't even follow logic...


It could not have happened because..

1.They did not need to. People don't wake up one morning and say... "What a jolly day... let us all move to Cyprus!".

2.They could’ve never agreed unanimously on such a mass transfer. Humans are not like birds who migrate unanimously following a pre-programmed instinct.

3.They would’ve never ignored 600Km of parallel Turkish coastline and opt for such a far away island most had never even heard of! Why is the huge Turkish coastline ignored?

4.Anyone who did manage to arrive on the shores of Cyprus and regardless of where they came from, would've been INSTANTLY absorbed and digested by the existing civilization.

Its easy to see the fantastical Greek propaganda because the world simply…

DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT!

[kingsaxon]

I have no problem with preservation of culture, tradition and to be proud of it. But what a bunch of hypocrits. First of all you're Greek-Cypriots, now apparently Greece (the so-called ethnic origin of these 'partisans) are nothing more than disease-ridden and uncivilized. I reckon you should hook up with the BNP in the UK. They are equally as moronic, uniformed and downright ignorant. Cyprus does not want you. You are the ruin. You are the peace-breakers and the haters. Its one thing being proud but being prejudice and racist...I have a great idea. Get a job. Raise a family and then figure out (if possible) how delicate your idiotic idealism is when some other jumped up ethnic nationalist breaks your door down and claims you have no right to be a Cypriot. Maybe they will cart you off to some dirty laboratory, take a DNA sample and say "ethnically, this man is Egyptian-Phoenician-Myceneaen-Turkic-Frankish-SCottish-Labanese-Syrian-Ventetian-British" he is not welcome on our island. And besides, I knew this guy at school - we always knew he was too stupid to be a Cypriot".

[Maxx]

I have no problem with preservation of culture, tradition and to be proud of it. But what a bunch of hypocrits. First of all you're Greek-Cypriots, now apparently Greece (the so-called ethnic origin of these 'partisans) are nothing more than disease-ridden and uncivilized. I reckon you should hook up with the BNP in the UK. They are equally as moronic, uniformed and downright ignorant. Cyprus does not want you. You are the ruin. You are the peace-breakers and the haters. Its one thing being proud but being prejudice and racist...I have a great idea. Get a job. Raise a family and then figure out (if possible) how delicate your idiotic idealism is when some other jumped up ethnic nationalist breaks your door down and claims you have no right to be a Cypriot. Maybe they will cart you off to some dirty laboratory, take a DNA sample and say "ethnically, this man is Egyptian-Phoenician-Myceneaen-Turkic-Frankish-SCottish-Labanese-Syrian-Ventetian-British" he is not welcome on our island. And besides, I knew this guy at school - we always knew he was too stupid to be a Cypriot".

Yes we sure can do with a CNP, that's for sure.

[DooDaDoo]

Get Real!, these are good points but they don't change anything. The Greek language somehow, even if not by numerically important migrations, found its way to Cyprus and it somehow became dominant throughout the island with few exceptions (Amathus and Kition basically) and even those exceptions disappeared in Hellenistic times or thereabouts.

Similarly, from Archaic to Hellenistic times relations between Cyprus and the rest of the Greek world (please don't whine at the term again) strengthened to the degree that Greek sacred envoys visited Cypriot cities and Cypriots visited mainland Greek centers. For Roman up to Ottoman times, little needs to be said: most of the time, all Greeks were part of the same political entity and there's a reason they ALL used the same ethnonym (Romios) up to modern times. Greek nationalism was also very successful in Cyprus in modern times, with the exception of "Cypriotists" who made their voices heard mostly post-1974.

Everyone can make whatever choices they want (ideologically, politically etc.) but there's no need to deny or distort everything that occurred in the last 3000 years.

kingsaxon, your points are atrocious. You can't understand that you are the one making genetic and "racial" arguments and not anyone else who's basically following the idea that ethnicity is socially constructed but they still like that construct and believe that it doesn't entail racism towards anyone.

[Maxx]

Greece (the so-called ethnic origin of these 'partisans) are nothing more than disease-ridden and uncivilized.

Never a truer word!

[Get Real!]

I must admit I like Kingsaxon’s input thus far… he has a good head on his shoulders and adds an interesting dimension to our arguments. Let’s hope he also starts using paragraphs to make reading easier!

[Maxx]

I must admit I like Kingsaxon’s input thus far… he has a good head on his shoulders and adds an interesting dimension to our arguments. Let’s hope he also starts using paragraphs to make reading easier!

I've been trying to tell him that, but he has got all funny all of a sudden.

I think he may have me confused with Ottoman remnants such as Piratis, GreekIslandGirl or Hermes....

[GreekIslandGirl]

The very fine thread by which the Greek gymnasium theory hangs, is of a sudden arrival of multitudes of Mycenaeans to Cyprus! But of course there is not a shred of evidence to support that and it doesn't even follow logic...


It could not have happened because..

1.They did not need to. People don't wake up one morning and say... "What a jolly day... let us all move to Cyprus!".

2.They could’ve never agreed unanimously on such a mass transfer. Humans are not like birds who migrate unanimously following a pre-programmed instinct.

3.They would’ve never ignored 600Km of parallel Turkish coastline and opt for such a far away island most had never even heard of! Why is the huge Turkish coastline ignored?

4.Anyone who did manage to arrive on the shores of Cyprus and regardless of where they came from, would've been INSTANTLY absorbed and digested by the existing civilization.

Its easy to see the fantastical Greek propaganda because the world simply…

DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT!

You forget that the Mycenaeans, and other inhabitants of the now-known Greek world, were derived from the same group of people, spreading out by land and sea from thousands of years previously. They were known to each other because they were related (so few people around then) and co-operated, or fought, as they moved around, looking for farming sites. The fact that similar neolithic dwellings existed from as far flung as the now-known northern Greek world all the way down to Cyprus forms part of the continuum we include in ethnicity. The similarities continued, proven once written records were made, then with more familiar Greek-style temples erected in Cyprus, the participation during Byzantium etc - right up to the present day with the many extant cultural similarities we still maintain, but which irk recent invaders.