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[Piratis]

Nikitas, there is no way we can trick the world on this. Do you really think we can behave properly if they left us alone, as you suggest? Even within the EU we can still embark on cutting each others throat. Do you think it is just the dreaded foreigners who are doing all the bad things to us? We deserve most we get, is my answer.

Almost every nation has its internal conflicts, with civil wars, coups, revolutions etc. Nothing unique about Cyprus in this. This is not an excuse for a foreign country to invade another and ethnically cleanse 100s of thousands of innocent people from the lands their ancestors inhabited for 1000s of years. Or maybe you suggest that to solve the problem between Turks and Kurds in Turkey other countries should invade Turkey and ethnically cleanse 1/3rd of the Turkish population? Will the Turks deserve this?

In Cyprus the Turks were the invaders, it is them that started all wars with us from the very first one until the very last one. We only fought for our rights as the native population and the majority of this island, and our losses from the wars and conflicts with the Turks were far more than thairs. On the other hand, the Kurds inhabited their lands long before the Turks came and the Turks have murdered 10s of thousands of Kurds. Not to mention the genocides of millions that the Turks commited against others not so long ago.

So if the Cypriots "deserved" what happened to them, then I really want you to tell me what the Turks deserve based on what they did and continue doing. I will be waiting for your answer. I am sure that you will either (a) avoid answering or (b) answer in a way that will expose your double standardards in favor of your Turkish masters.

[GreekIslandGirl]

The saddest day will be the day the RoC stops seeking the fair changes Makarios, and other Democrats, desired for Cyprus. We should demonstrate to the sceptics how our present situation - invasion(s), occupation, colonisations by Turkey - was a direct consequence of the imposed, deliberately debilitating 1960 constitution. It was predictable, and unavoidable, when underwritten by some expansionist imperialists.

So, now, as EU members; how can we go ask to go backwards when we are so close to our goal?

No repeating our mistakes, please! Patience, and let Turkey be hoisted by her own petard!

[repulsewarrior]

...have you guys read the Constitution lately?

...even you Mr B., what about the Communal Chamber (what about collecting tax dollars communally?)

i repeat myself, is Germany a single State; what about National Assemblies (why can't there be Maronite, etc. Assemblies as well?)

...please read my manifesto (thingys)

[ZoC]

The saddest day will be the day the RoC stops seeking the fair changes Makarios, and other Democrats, desired for Cyprus. We should demonstrate to the sceptics how our present situation - invasion(s), occupation, colonisations by Turkey - was a direct consequence of the imposed, deliberately debilitating 1960 constitution. It was predictable, and unavoidable, when underwritten by some expansionist imperialists.

So, now, as EU members; how can we go ask to go backwards when we are so close to our goal?

No repeating our mistakes, please! Patience, and let Turkey be hoisted by her own petard!

it's really wonderful that, despite all of greece's problems at the moment (and i'm sure her islands aren't immune), u take time out to show solidarity with cyprus and her issues.

cheers. that's very noble of u.

just a shame the rest of the greeks are a bunch of lazy, corrupt, embarrassing, third-world tax dodging imbeciles.

[repulsewarrior]

The saddest day will be the day the RoC stops seeking the fair changes Makarios, and other Democrats, desired for Cyprus. We should demonstrate to the sceptics how our present situation - invasion(s), occupation, colonisations by Turkey - was a direct consequence of the imposed, deliberately debilitating 1960 constitution. It was predictable, and unavoidable, when underwritten by some expansionist imperialists.

So, now, as EU members; how can we go ask to go backwards when we are so close to our goal?

No repeating our mistakes, please! Patience, and let Turkey be hoisted by her own petard!

dearest lady,

welcome, and well said.

...reform of this Constitution is necessary, it is an obligation we made to the EU in any case. as a State, it is the RoC that has the International recognition as its Sovereign representative, Turkey is still fighting the "bad deal" they got with the Treaty of Lausanne; how does one explain that the underwriting going on to this day by many interlocutors, is appeasement toward this end?

[Hermes]

The saddest day will be the day the RoC stops seeking the fair changes Makarios, and other Democrats, desired for Cyprus. We should demonstrate to the sceptics how our present situation - invasion(s), occupation, colonisations by Turkey - was a direct consequence of the imposed, deliberately debilitating 1960 constitution. It was predictable, and unavoidable, when underwritten by some expansionist imperialists.

So, now, as EU members; how can we go ask to go backwards when we are so close to our goal?

No repeating our mistakes, please! Patience, and let Turkey be hoisted by her own petard!

it's really wonderful that, despite all of greece's problems at the moment (and i'm sure her islands aren't immune), u take time out to show solidarity with cyprus and her issues.

cheers. that's very noble of u.

just a shame the rest of the greeks are a bunch of lazy, corrupt, embarrassing, third-world tax dodging imbeciles.

This is ZoC being charming by the way.

[Pyrpolizer]

Three steps for a solution to ending the Turkish occupation. As told to the delegation of the High Level Contact Group of the European Parliament for the Turkish Cypriots by Sener Levent - editor in chief of Afrika newspaper:

1. Referring to the fenced off city of Varoshia, Sener said that Varoshia should open before the solution of the Cyprus problem.

2. Concerning the guarantorship issue, Sener Levent stressed that the guarantees of the EU are enough for the solution of the Cyprus problem and underlined that no other guarantees are necessary.

3. Sener further stated that the better and the easiest solution to the Cyprus problem is the return to the partnership based on the London and Zurich agreements.

As reported here: http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/201 ... .tcpr.html

Actually this was my position for a long time as well.
It is the easiest and fasted way. Notice Sener does not say return to the 1960 agreements but to the partnership type of those agreements.
I am absolutely sure this is going to happen soon after we start getting gas out. Either the Kibrislis or our side will propose it.It will be return to the RoC system with some amendments. A one week to maximum one month talks at the negotiation table, plus a comprehensive confirmation by the Kibrislis of the laws and agreements the Kypreoi have done all these years running the RoC.

I hope Bananiot will not say it is not "feasible". Imo after we start getting gas out it will be the ONLY feasible thing. BBF will be history.

[Hermes]

Again, you are all forgetting that politics is the art of the feasible.

Whenever someone claims that 'politics is the art of the feasible', I am on my guard. What I’m being told is to accept apparent present conditions as immutable facts of life, and to trim my goals accordingly. I’m being told to let injustices stand. This is what Bananiot is effectively saying. The dictum is cold comfort to the oppressed, the victims of poverty, discrimination and violence, who are asked to continue suffering while distant arbiters decide what is or is not “feasible” in their case. It is the politics of cynicism and despair.

Those who dispute the dictum are accused of utopianism. Of course utopias are no substitute for the practice of politics, and can serve as an evasion of present responsibilities. But it can alert people to the greater range of possibilities that lie within their grasp. It is to the majority of Greek Cypriot's credit that they are not defeatists or cynics like Bananiot - but utopians in their belief for justice and a better future.

For those of us who seek in politics a means of changing things for the better, a superior definition of politics to that of Bananiot's is that it is the art of redefining the feasible. This is the positive and practical way that spurns the call of those like Bananiot who seek to limit what is 'feasible'.

[ZoC]

The saddest day will be the day the RoC stops seeking the fair changes Makarios, and other Democrats, desired for Cyprus. We should demonstrate to the sceptics how our present situation - invasion(s), occupation, colonisations by Turkey - was a direct consequence of the imposed, deliberately debilitating 1960 constitution. It was predictable, and unavoidable, when underwritten by some expansionist imperialists.

So, now, as EU members; how can we go ask to go backwards when we are so close to our goal?

No repeating our mistakes, please! Patience, and let Turkey be hoisted by her own petard!

it's really wonderful that, despite all of greece's problems at the moment (and i'm sure her islands aren't immune), u take time out to show solidarity with cyprus and her issues.

cheers. that's very noble of u.

just a shame the rest of the greeks are a bunch of lazy, corrupt, embarrassing, third-world tax dodging imbeciles.

This is ZoC being charming by the way.

i'll wager she already knows how charming i can be...

[bill cobbett]

Unsure as to how much we can read in to three sentences, but Levant remains a very brave journo, been shot at, bombed and remains the most outspoken critic of the Regime in the Occupied Areas.