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by **Bananiot** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:01 am

Again, you are all forgetting that politics is the art of the feasible. If we could go back to the 1960 regime we would do so on our knees and if we could achieve a unitary state, so much the better. I wish someone could give us a practical way for seeking these, otherwise, these are populist rantings that have contributed to the predicament we find ourselves in.

GR, however, must be a special case. He labels Levent "partitionist" and he is basically confirming that he has taken leave of his senses.

by **Capt J Sparrow** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:09 am

Bananiot wrote:Again, you are all forgetting that politics is the art of the feasible. If we could go back to the 1960 regime we would do so on our knees and if we could achieve a unitary state, so much the better. I wish someone could give us a practical way for seeking these, otherwise, these are populist rantings that have contributed to the predicament we find ourselves in.

GR, however, must be a special case. He labels Levent "partitionist" and he is basically confirming that he has taken leave of his senses.

The feasible is a BBFederation with the right content.

If the content is bullshit, like the Annan Plan was, which wasn't a Federation btw, then that plan is NOT FEASIBLE!

by **Bananiot** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:15 am

How about politically mature people?

by **Capt J Sparrow** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:18 am

Bananiot wrote:How about politically mature people?

The politically mature are accepting of the wishes and desires of the majority.

by **Bananiot** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:35 am

This is a dangerous game. In history there are stories aplenty when minute minorities have been justified eventually. Galilepo springs to mind. But, your insinuation of course is noted and if you have any evidence that I did not accept a decision taken by the majority and tried to overturn it, please inform me. If you mean that I cannot have and make public my views then we have nothing else to say.

by **Capt J Sparrow** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:57 am

Bananiot wrote:This is a dangerous game. In history there are stories aplenty when minute minorities have been justified eventually. Galilepo springs to mind. But, your insinuation of course is noted and if you have any evidence that I did not accept a decision taken by the majority and tried to overturn it, please inform me. If you mean that I cannot have and make public my views then we have nothing else to say.

You give us 1 example where invasion, ethnic cleansing and colonisation has been justified in a country that enjoys dejure recognition as a member of the UN.

Of course you are free to express your opinion, but can I ask you this - for how many years have you been preaching the RoC's doomsday as a result of the people democratically rejecting the Annan Plan?

There is only one feasible solution that the GCs might accept and that is a BBFederation with the right content. A Federation that can base itself on the German model, since there are many similarities between Germany when the East and West united and Cyprus. A Federation not like any other in the world where the Human Rights of the individual are addressed in every form, politically and democratically, and where there are 2 zones, or State Lines, with each zone having its own Government presiding over certain ministerial portfolios, its own Police Force, Judiciary and Education System and where the Federal Government is left to take care of national issues in the national interest such as resources, customs, defence, immigration etc.

This more than adequately meets all security concerns, does it not? They have there own Armed Service, legally recognised within the Federal State and their own judiciary. What more do they want?

by **Nikitas** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:41 pm

Sener is not mentioning the obvious, perhaps because it is obvious, even if we return to the 1960 constitution by unanimous vote on both sides, the territorial divison remains as is till the mess is sorted out.

Simple public order requirements mandate that it will be so.

But for this to happen there must be a radical policy change in Turkey who must relinquish its goal of dissolution of any Cypriot statehood. Greece of course has no Cyprus policy and the UK remains the mystery player, sending different messages to each side.

In the unlikely event of returning to the 1960 constitution we must, all communities together, seek amendments to end the British presence along with foreign troop stationing on the island. As long as foreign powers have a say, they will also have a hand in the situation and they will form associations and alliances with local wannabes of all kinds. We know the game by now.

by **Bananiot** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:20 pm

Nikitas, there is no way we can trick the world on this. Do you really think we can behave properly if they left us alone, as you suggest? Even within the EU we can still embark on cutting each others throat. Do you think it is just the dreaded foreigners who are doing all the bad things to us? We deserve most we get, is my answer.

by **Hermes** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:25 pm

Bananiot wrote: Even within the EU we can still embark on cutting each others throat. Do you think it is just the dreaded foreigners who are doing all the bad things to us? We deserve most we get, is my answer.

Yes that is always your answer. It also happens to be Turkey's solution to the Cyprus 'problem'. Your answer and Turkey's solution meet inescapably in the necessity of partition.

This logic dictates that we must downgrade the interventions of external powers and make the Greek Cypriots 'pay' for the occupation of their homeland. Turning the Turkish invasion into a vast cosmic payback for alleged Greek Cypriot wrongs. When this is tried against the Jews in relation to the holocaust it is shouted down. People are prosecuted for it. Yet it is open season on GCs. This is the shameful perspective of the outsiders and partitionists throughout Cyprus's modern history. From the British Foreign Office to Turkey's partitionist propogandists.

Fortunately, most Cypriots reject such outrageously racist attempts to cast them as savages who cannot be trusted. Instead they point to the EU as guarantor of the island's sovereignty: a major break with the past and a new prospect for the island's security. Only the most reactionary and hostile elements would deny the Cypriots even the possibility of living in a united island under EU sovereignty. No different and no better than other EU citizens.

by **Piratis** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:36 pm

Bananiot wrote:This is a dangerous game. In history there are stories aplenty when minute minorities have been justified eventually. Galilepo springs to mind. But, your insinuation of course is noted and if you have any evidence that I did not accept a decision taken by the majority and tried to overturn it, please inform me. If you mean that I cannot have and make public my views then we have nothing else to say.

We are talking about ethnic minorities here, not about individuals. The only case ethnic minorities were ever justified is when they were demanding democracy, human rights and an end to racist descriminations and forced segregation. When minorities forced (with the help of outsiders) undemocratic systems based on racist descriminations and segregation they were never jusfieied (e.g. Whites in South Africa during Aparthaid).