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[Hermes]

Sorry guys, this isn't a legal or a human rights issue for me. It's about the principle of going to the occupied areas and paying Turkish settlers for sex. I'd find it just as bad if a Cypriot gov't minister was going to the occupied areas for a "massage" with a female Turkish prostitute who was an illegal settler.

It might not be a crime under "trnc" law but I'd want to know why he was going there and supporting the economy of the occupied areas when we have many hard-working girls who have been illegally trafficked in the south. At least his 20 Euros would find its way back into the south's economy...

[Capt J Sparrow]

Sorry guys, this isn't a legal or a human rights issue for me. It's about the principle of going to the occupied areas and paying Turkish settlers for sex. I'd find it just as bad if a Cypriot gov't minister was going to the occupied areas for a "massage" with a female Turkish prostitute who was an illegal settler.

It might not be a crime under "trnc" law but I'd want to know why he was going there and supporting the economy of the occupied areas when we have many hard-working girls who have been illegally trafficked in the south. At least his 20 Euros would find its way back into the south's economy...

Hermes,

unfortunately, Sarris is not the only one, and I too condemn him for even going there in the first place. But it is no different to hundreds if not thousands of citizens going to the occupied areas to gamble at the casinos, which are usually built on stolen land owned by GCs. As a former minister, he should have given a far better account of himself, but putting this aside, he was arrested for certain alleged homosexual acts between consenting adults, and so his arrest is just another indication of the lack of tolerance by the illegal regime.

This thread has also highlighted the lack of tolerance for homosexuality by our very own very stubborn and backward neanderthals. But that is beside the point. We are here to fight the regime in the north, and they have backed themselves into a corner and have received much international condemnation from the free world and from tolerant free thinkers like us, who are less willing to have our moral compass controlled by intolerant clerics, and those of us that have as our moral compass the strict adherence of fundamental human rights of the individual, which also includes the non discrimination of persons based on their sexuality, race, political or religious views and more.

That is the issue here. It is the violation of Human Rights by an illegal occupation regime in Cyprus.

As for Sarris' lack of integrity and judgement, well we can discuss that another day.

[bill cobbett]

Sorry guys, this isn't a legal or a human rights issue for me. It's about the principle of going to the occupied areas and paying Turkish settlers for sex. I'd find it just as bad if a Cypriot gov't minister was going to the occupied areas for a "massage" with a female Turkish prostitute who was an illegal settler.

It might not be a crime under "trnc" law but I'd want to know why he was going there and supporting the economy of the occupied areas when we have many hard-working girls who have been illegally trafficked in the south. At least his 20 Euros would find its way back into the south's economy...

Yes, of course you're right H... poor judgement and lack of integrity on S's part. Asking for trouble in a conservative island. Asking to be set up. Giving money to the enemy. All made the worse by S's sensitive position of trust at the talks as Chef Negotiator on Economy for the Republic.

... but once the Illegal Regime steps in with its heavy handed "arrest" on the strength of its out-dated "laws", its rubbish "laws against nature", then surely things ALSO move in to the human rights field and the Regime (and Turkey as the Occupation Power) becomes a legitimate target. (Especially if we feel that this whole incident was politically motivated.)

[SKI-preo]

They come here and take our homes, rape /kill/pillage sell our art works and antiquities...and NOW...they want our gays as well. Maybe they will turn Sarris bum into a loose bizonal bi communal federation across the crack (with a rotating president). Ton foukara!

[Hermes]

Fair enough Bill and Cap't Sparrow. Putting aside the poor judgement of Sarris, I'm quite happy that this issue has been used to beat the "trnc" with. I also posted earlier about what I thought was an interesting development in this case: the fact that the EU has pressured the "trnc" to change this antiquated law and that Eroglu has agreed. I hope the EU takes a similarly hard line with Eroglu and Ankara's attempts to suspend the rights of Greek Cypriots in the north as part of an overall settlement. After all, GCs are full EU citizens and should not be expected to sacrifice their rights under the EU acquis to appease Turkey.

[SKI-preo]

Hang on hang on maybe Sarris is happy. Maybe he is in there singing:

[supporttheunderdog]

Look guys, lets notworry if other men are gay or goat shaggers - more women for us!!

[humanist]

Hermes I agree on the issue that you raise.

I also do not support an adult taking advantage of children. Obviously the place he went too promotes sexual activities between adult men and children. Issues in that.

However, I think Cypriots also need to change their belief system around homosexuality. The few examples here show the bigotry and intolerance of minority groups.

There is also a theory that people who are outraged by homosexuality tend to be internalised homophobes themselves. I am not about to make judgements on this matter. However, i do feel for young people who are same sex attracted and the consequences they are faced with if this is the attitude of Cypriot adults. One of those children could be theirs.

[bill cobbett]

On this matter of children or "minors" being involved.

Outside the fantasy world of the Dim-Witted Cut Off Their Goolies GR et al who have fallen hook, line and sinker for the Turkish propaganda that children are involved, it's just simply pollox.

The Tnucland Regime dug itself in to a hole with the original honey-trap which bringing a deal of international condemnation and further highlighting its human rights denying antiquated "laws" , miraculously found a 14 year old child to bring in to this affair after the event to justify its outrageous original actions by trying to upgrade this to some kind of paedophilia ring to arouse the support of the unthinking and slow of mind and there will always be some of these gullible homophobes around eh GR?

[kurupetos]

I would rather kill it.