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[Get Real!]

...indeed bill, but is this a case of pedophilia, we will probably never know; and if it is not it's big pie on the face, of this occupied territory which claims it's a State, either way as usual it was very badly handled.

The young man’s age is constantly quoted as 17 by all the sources I have read and that makes him a minor. End of story!

[Hermes]

... So can only urge you all to think that if GR and Kurupetos or Sarris or anybody else choose to go around shagging each other or liaising with consenting goats, or if they chose heterosexual relationships, then support their right to do so, they have every right to make their own very personal choices... and they shouldn't get any questions about it and cert not any criticism about it... cos they have every right to do what they want with their bodies.

Bill. I agree with you on this. Except this is not just about Sarris's right to pursue his sexual orientation. This incident involves a former Cypriot government minister travelling to the occupied areas for a "massage" with a young Turkish settler and male prostitute. It's really, for me, a question of judgement and personal integrity. The bloke can do what he pleases within the laws of the free areas but going to the north to pay for sex with a Turkish settler is not what you expect of your politicians and leaders.

[Get Real!]

... So can only urge you all to think that if GR and Kurupetos or Sarris or anybody else choose to go around shagging each other or liaising with consenting goats, or if they chose heterosexual relationships, then support their right to do so, they have every right to make their own very personal choices... and they shouldn't get any questions about it and cert not any criticism about it... cos they have every right to do what they want with their bodies.

You are constantly ignoring the 17 year old being a minor, and that Sarris is an RoC politician meant to lead by example, of a country that is 37% illegaly occupied so you therefore cannot treat this case as a "standard" pro-gay issue!

FAIL!

[bill cobbett]

...indeed bill, but is this a case of pedophilia, we will probably never know; and if it is not it's big pie on the face, of this occupied territory which claims it's a State, either way as usual it was very badly handled.

The young man’s age is constantly quoted as 17 by all the sources I have read and that makes him a minor. End of story!

Age of Consent is the salient legal phrase used in legal jurisdictions the World over.

Shall we have a look at what that age is, in various places?

[bill cobbett]

... So can only urge you all to think that if GR and Kurupetos or Sarris or anybody else choose to go around shagging each other or liaising with consenting goats, or if they chose heterosexual relationships, then support their right to do so, they have every right to make their own very personal choices... and they shouldn't get any questions about it and cert not any criticism about it... cos they have every right to do what they want with their bodies.

Bill. I agree with you on this. Except this is not just about Sarris's right to pursue his sexual orientation. This incident involves a former Cypriot government minister travelling to the occupied areas for a "massage" with a young Turkish settler and male prostitute. It's really, for me, a question of judgement and personal integrity. The bloke can do what he pleases within the laws of the free areas but going to the north to pay for sex with a Turkish settler is not what you expect of your politicians and leaders.

Guilty as charged, lock me up and throw me in the nearest Turkish Dungeon...

... Yes, ok, the judgement question is an important one, but it ain't a criminal offence to show such poor judgement.

[Get Real!]

...indeed bill, but is this a case of pedophilia, we will probably never know; and if it is not it's big pie on the face, of this occupied territory which claims it's a State, either way as usual it was very badly handled.

The young man’s age is constantly quoted as 17 by all the sources I have read and that makes him a minor. End of story!

Age of Consent is the salient legal phrase used in legal jurisdictions the World over.

Shall we have a look at what that age is, in various places?

No need! The age of consent in Cyprus is 18 as opposed to the UK’s 16. What now Bobbit?

[repulsewarrior]

Well, whilst one or two of the shallow-minded above have swallowed Turkish Propaganda about paedophilia...

According to Ataturk's biographer, Ataturk was a pedophile and an active sodomiser of young boys. As well as an alcoholic. You'd think the occupation authorities in the north would be more sensitive to those who follow in Ataturk's ways. After all, there are statues of Ataturk all over the occupied areas.

Hermes, in my thinking it is a terrific opportunity for Turks to stand up to this shame, and lead. Brilliant in polishing a tarnished image, total war against such Ignorance; no more harm to children, the child's advocate all over the world!

...Universal Principals, that was his game, not unlike Napolean III who was the first to exploit this notion of 'Nations' joining to create States.

...Kemalists stagnate; "Turks" as Turks overwhelmed by their Turkishness resist change.

...and for the rest of us on this island a lesson can be learned: "Greeks" as Greeks overwhelmed by their Greekness resist change.

[bill cobbett]

Various Ages of Consent...

(from Wiki)

Cyprus, Free Areas of
The age of consent for all sexual conduct in Cyprus under the 2002 Criminal Code is 17, regardless of sexual orientation and/or gender.

Occupied Cyprus ("trnc")
The unrecognised entity, self-proclaimed as "trnc" has the age of consent for females at 16 as designated in the Penal Code (Ceza Yasası, Art. 154). Sexual contact with a female between 13 and 16 years of age is considered a misdemeanour (Ceza Yasası, Art. 153). There is no age of consent for males and northern Cyprus maintains sodomy laws abolished in the Republic of Cyprus, making sexual contact between males illegal and perpetrators of "sexual acts against the order of nature" (both penetrating and receiving) are punished with up to 5 years of imprisonment.

France
The age of consent in France is 15, as specified by Article 227-25, which reads: "The commission without violence, constraint, threat or surprise of a sexual offence by an adult on the person of a child under fifteen years of age is punished by five years' imprisonment and a fine of €75,000.

Germany
The age of consent in Germany is 14, as long as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14–15 year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination. In this rare and special case, a conviction on an individual over the age of 21 requires a complaint from the younger individual; being over 21 and engaging in sexual relations with a minor of that age does not constitute an offense in and of itself. Otherwise the age of consent is 14, although provisions protecting minors against coercion apply until the age of 18.

Italy
The age of consent in Italy is 14 years, with a close-in-age exception that allows those aged 13 to engage in sexual activity with partners who are less than 3 years older. The age of consent rises to 16 if one of the participants has some kind of influence on the other (e.g. teacher, tutor, adoptive parent).[22] Not knowing the fact that the victim is underage is not a legal defence.[23] It is also illegal to perform sexual acts in the presence of a minor aged less than 14 with the intent of allowing the minor to witness the acts, even if they do not take an active part.[24]

United States
Varies by State..
Each US state has its own age of consent. Currently state laws set the age of consent at 16, 17 or 18. The most common age is 16.[43]
age of consent 16 : Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia
age of consent 17 : Colorado, Illinois, Louisiana, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, Texas, Wyoming
age of consent 18 : Arizona, California, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, North Dakota, Oregon, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin

[bill cobbett]

...indeed bill, but is this a case of pedophilia, we will probably never know; and if it is not it's big pie on the face, of this occupied territory which claims it's a State, either way as usual it was very badly handled.

The young man’s age is constantly quoted as 17 by all the sources I have read and that makes him a minor. End of story!

Age of Consent is the salient legal phrase used in legal jurisdictions the World over.

Shall we have a look at what that age is, in various places?

No need! The age of consent in Cyprus is 18 as opposed to the UK’s 16. What now Bobbit?

it's 17 in CY... get it right..

Controversial age of consent bill is passed
By George Psyllides (Cyprus Mail on-line, 12 July 2002)
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/July/12/news5.htm

THE HOUSE yesterday approved more than 50 bills, including the controversial law raising the age of consent for heterosexuals to 17, while a further 31 were withdrawn by the government.

The age of consent for heterosexuals was raised to 17 in an effort to abolish any discrimination between homosexuals and heterosexuals.

The House had initially planned last week to reduce the age of consent for homosexual males to 16 from 18, to bring it into line with legislation on heterosexuals.

But the House Legal Affairs Committee decided instead to raise the age of consent for heterosexuals to 17, to avoid having to reduce the age for homosexuals to 16.

On Wednesday both the state legal service and deputies were unable to say what the implications of raising the legal age of consent for heterosexuals would be, since it would make it illegal for anyone under 17 to have sex.

In essence it means that as from today, anyone having sexual relations with a 16-year-old will be committing a criminal offence.

The compromise law is the result of intense pressure exerted on Cyprus by the European Union to abolish discrimination between homosexuals and heterosexuals.

[repulsewarrior]

...indeed bill, but is this a case of pedophilia, we will probably never know; and if it is not it's big pie on the face, of this occupied territory which claims it's a State, either way as usual it was very badly handled.

The young man’s age is constantly quoted as 17 by all the sources I have read and that makes him a minor. End of story!

Age of Consent is the salient legal phrase used in legal jurisdictions the World over.

Shall we have a look at what that age is, in various places?

No need! The age of consent in Cyprus is 18 as opposed to the UK’s 16. What now Bobbit?

...so there you go, we'll see how the RoC will handle this issue, maybe not treason (although i agree completely with the sentiment), and it only appears to be a crime (by Human standards, and) against the Law.

...is this a wrench brilliantly deployed by the "Turks", or is he another Maris wanker out in the sun far too long?