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are the gcs ready to dissolve the roc?

Postby boomerang » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:39 pm

i don't think any deal that involves the dissolution of the roc will be accepted by the majority of the voters...
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Re: are the gcs ready to dissolve the roc?

Postby stylianos2 » Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:13 am

Problem is, that for the dissolvement of RoC we would need to replace it with one legal citizen one vote and I am not sure how a rotating presidency can work with this concept in a Federal Cyprus. The voting rights of the GC should not be compromised to appease the minority that are TC or Turkey, that's not democracy and no other European country would accept this as a system of government. I fear that no agreement presented to the GC has any hope of passing the yes vote if it gives TC disproportionate voting power as appears to be happening. It goes without say that the illegal turkish settlers should not have a vote (that's a deal breaker) in fact they should be shipped back from wence they came.
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Re: are the gcs ready to dissolve the roc?

Postby Get Real! » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:28 am

boomerang wrote:i don't think any deal that involves the dissolution of the roc will be accepted by the majority of the voters...

That relies ENTIRELY on the “deal” which you haven’t bothered to specify so it’s up to the readers' imagination to devise one so here goes…

I’d say the GCs would be more than happy to dissolve the RoC if Turkey was to abandon Cyprus, cede territory from the Turkish mainland, pay $5 billion in compensation to GCs, remove her disgusting settlers, and GCs rewrite their constitution as they see fit.

Next stupid question please…
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Re: are the gcs ready to dissolve the roc?

Postby boomerang » Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:39 am

on the crack pipe, again?... :lol:
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Re: are the gcs ready to dissolve the roc?

Postby kimon07 » Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:16 am

Disolving the ROC means giving up and writing off all of the claims of ROC against Turkey for the invation etc. Don't even joke about it.
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Re: are the gcs ready to dissolve the roc?

Postby B25 » Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:59 pm

kimon07 wrote:Disolving the ROC means giving up and writing off all of the claims of ROC against Turkey for the invation etc. Don't even joke about it.


Agreed, but some plonkers on this site, including some politicians are happy to do just that. Just to keeps the turks happy. With friends like them, who needs enemies.
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Re: are the gcs ready to dissolve the roc?

Postby Nikitas » Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:37 pm

Lose the RoC and automatically you lose your statehood and sovereignty. Whithout those you are downgraded to a mere Hellenic overseas community and knowing the fate of all the other such communities in: Egypt, Lebanon, South Africa, Istanbul, Smyrni etc, you know what fate awaits you.

It is no wonder Gul was so happy that the annan plan was going to dissolve the RoC. It would mean open season on GCs.
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Re: are the gcs ready to dissolve the roc?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:37 pm

boomerang wrote:i don't think any deal that involves the dissolution of the roc will be accepted by the majority of the voters...


States do not dissolve the way you think boomers! They simply transfer obligations, international agreements, external (and internal) debt, to a new state of affairs and a new constitution. Unfortunately neither the "trnc' will be dissolved, but thank God they have no external debt, and their agreements are only with Turkey. Their and our administrative structure will remain the same. :!:

This was supposed to happen with the Anan Plan as well. However from the day of signing the primary agreement until the day of implementation there was a time gap during which the so called "co-presidents" should of have applied to the EU to make the plan a Primary Aquis. The EU would reject it, the whole agreement would be on the air, and there wouldn't be any Roc to turn back to.

In any new solution we have to be very careful that from the day of signing to the day of implementation there is absolutely nothing provisional.
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Re: are the gcs ready to dissolve the roc?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:43 pm

I write all these knowing full well that after we start getting money from the gas the only option available for the Kibrislis would be their return to the RoC with amendments. If they accept, then yes that would mean partial dissolution of the "trnc". I say partial because once again they will retain most of the administrative structure they have now.
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Re: are the gcs ready to dissolve the roc?

Postby bill cobbett » Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:25 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
boomerang wrote:i don't think any deal that involves the dissolution of the roc will be accepted by the majority of the voters...


States do not dissolve the way you think boomers! They simply transfer obligations, international agreements, external (and internal) debt, to a new state of affairs and a new constitution. Unfortunately neither the "trnc' will be dissolved, but thank God they have no external debt, and their agreements are only with Turkey. Their and our administrative structure will remain the same. :!:

This was supposed to happen with the Anan Plan as well. However from the day of signing the primary agreement until the day of implementation there was a time gap during which the so called "co-presidents" should of have applied to the EU to make the plan a Primary Aquis. The EU would reject it, the whole agreement would be on the air, and there wouldn't be any Roc to turn back to.

In any new solution we have to be very careful that from the day of signing to the day of implementation there is absolutely nothing provisional.


Yes, quite right, good point cos at the back end of the Anan Scam were appendices, with a number of letters, to the EU, to the ECHR and others asking them to accept the new state of affairs... a dangerous situation if there were rejections to the new state of affairs and the Republic had already been dissolved.
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